Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eugenics Wars (2 nomination)


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The result was   merge to Timeline of Star Trek. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 10:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Eugenics Wars
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I believe this article about a fictional war violates Manual of Style (writing about fiction). I have nominated it separately because this article writes about more than one fictional source (rather than only a single work), and makes the original research-y claim that a certain argument about transhumanism has been named after the fictional war. I believe that neither of these rise to the level of notability, but recognize that it constitutes a new question so have separated the nom. The first nomination was two years ago and I believe the community norms have changed when it comes to writing articles about specific plot elements of fictional works. The "scholarly works" are either in-universe works (if such were accepted as a basis for notability, we would need an article about every minor character, weapon, vehicle, and event from Star Trek, Star Wars, Harry Potter, etc.) or else trivial references or else presumed (but not substantiated) trivial references. Works of that nature certainly establish the notability of Star Trek and perhaps could be used in an article such as "Influence of Star Trek on [...]" but do not mean that we need an article about each individual element of Star Trek that corresponds to an individual element of another fictional work, etc. Savidan 18:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep as you have not tagged the entire section in transhumanism as OR, this provides background for that article, which is not a Star Trek article, and therefore, shows that there is notability of this event/concept outside of Star Trek. And some of your arguments seem counter to WP:NOTPAPER; People are always harping about the transporter and the communicator, yet from your argument you would deny that they should have separate articles. 76.66.192.91 (talk) 04:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nuke from orbit and reconstruct as a quasi-dab page pointing to relevant media: Khan Noonien Singh, the Greg Cox(?) books, the relevant episode articles from the Star Trek: Enterprise arc. All of those articles cover the overall plot details of the Eugenics Wars appropriately. --EEMIV (talk) 05:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * As my recent culling of OR, speculation and trivial tangents reminded me, the "details" about the Eugenics Wars are so inconsistent across the spin-offs and media that it seems the producers were deliberately wary of trying to reconcile all the arcane minutiae. There was something of an effort at the end of Star Trek: Enterprise, and the novels are one big retcon . . . but, the topic itself is such a mess that the better part of valor would probably be to point folks toward these specific episodes'/books' plot summaries and let readers sort out the details, rather than leave this flypaper for speculation and OR. --EEMIV (talk) 05:06, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Zap from orbit with a Star Destroyer per EEMIV. (wrong cruft franchise, I know;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to Timeline of Star Trek (probably only a sentence or two description of the conflict needs to be added). I agree that this probably shouldn't exist as a stand-alone article, and directing readers to the discussion in the general timeline seems like the best solution to the in-universe inconsistencies mentioned by EEMIV. BryanG (talk) 20:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.