Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eurocantera


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. After discounting the socks/SPAs.  Sandstein  18:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Eurocantera

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I was unable to find enough reliable sources about this Honduran mining company. Most of the sources I found were either press releases (I don't know if they can be considered reliable sources) or were about Cartier, a company they work with. However, feel free to establish notability or find reliable sources, and I will gladly withdraw this AfD. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:30, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

You're right, for sure it is possible to spend more time finding more sources EccellenzaItalia 16:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC) — EccellenzaItalia (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

I have in mind a couple of sources to be added Metalsfan 16:33, 24 February 2012 (UTC) — Metalsfan (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

It's enough? What do you think? EccellenzaItalia 17:35, 24 February 2012 (UTC) — EccellenzaItalia (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Now it's better than many others mining companies articles... Metalsfan 17:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC) — Metalsfan (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Ok, anyway I will continue to improve the article. Now I expect the end of the process with "KEEP" ;-) EccellenzaItalia 17:42, 24 February 2012 (UTC) — EccellenzaItalia (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Good Job!! I put a reference to an important website specializing in information and analytics on diamond and jewellery markets. In the next days I'll continue to investigate for others references Metalsfan 17:33, 24 February 2012 (UTC) — Metalsfan (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

"Keep" Eurocantera extracts alluvial gold in Honduras deposits using an innovative process which requires only water. It is part of an important group that operates in Honduras, with many employes Metalsfan 11:40, 01 march 2012 (UTC) — Metalsfan (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

"NOT DELATE" In my opinion, we have to maintain Eurocantera. There are lot of external authoritative links, for example Cartier Metalsfan 11:41, 01 march 2012 (UTC) — Metalsfan (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Please do not "vote" twice. These discussions are not decided upon the amount of people voting "keep" but on the arguments posed by each side.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:40, 2 March 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79


 * Keep Eurocantera is also a very important company for its ethical appraoch. In fact, many newspapers and website talk about its way to extract materials cleanly and not harmful. Superargento 11:56, 01 march 2012 — Superargento (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Keep Infact Superargento. Also one of the most important No-Profit organization, Pact, explain the Eurocantera project. http://www.pactworld.org/cs/cartier EccellenzaItalia 12:13, 01 March 2012 (UTC) — EccellenzaItalia (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Latin America-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:25, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:25, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Keep Eurocantera has links to Goldlake Group and their company website, another reliable source. Goldfinger305 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldfinger305 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)  — Goldfinger305 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:55, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. The article's sources are dubious at best and do not show how this company is ultimately notable outside of their partnership with Cartier. Cartier is undeniably notable, but that notability does not extend to Eurocantera. A search for sources brought up a mere 2,030 hits, none of which were anything that could be used to show notability. Many of them were links to this AfD, to primary sources, or to "junk" sites. (I know ghits doesn't automatically mean one thing or another, I just want to stress that there's just not anything out there about this company that would show it passes WP:CORP.) The company isn't a complete unknown, but they just don't pass the guidelines for notability on Wikipedia at this point in time.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 05:10, 2 March 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79

Italpreziosi www.italpreziosi.it - italian trading precious metals company; Soltera Mining, is a gold exploration company concentrating on Latino America Ebehte (talk) 11:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)Ebehte — Ebehte (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * KEEP I found others connections with others companies:

"KEEP" I know quite a lot about Eurocantera; I run a Environmental Management Company and therefore have been involved in researching ethical and environmental standards in this very industry; I have also visited the mine myself and the results of my team in depth assessment confirm the outstanding social performances of the mine; ; You can also find relevant information in the following report compiled by leading experts http://www.lifeworth.com/consult/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/UpliftingTheEarth.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicola1981 (talk • contribs) 13:19, 2 March 2012 (UTC)  — Nicola1981 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment. I want to stress to all of the single purpose accounts that have signed up to say "keep" that this is not decided on a vote and that accounts that sign up only to vote on an article up for deletion can and usually is seen with a high amount of suspicion. If you are the same person or the company itself signing on with different accounts in the hopes of keeping the article, be aware that making multiple accounts very rarely accomplishes this and that it would be better to have one account making solid arguments for the retaining of the article than to create several that make weak ones. It's possible that you might be separate people who do not know each other, but I wanted to voice that this amount of accounts signing on with the sole purpose of "voting" in this AfD looks a lot like sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 13:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79
 * Is it likely that they are sockpuppets or at least, people from a forum or something who were informed that this page was up for deletion? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The way they're talking makes me more inclined to suspect off-wiki canvassing for some reason. Not sure, it's just an impression, and it could just be some slight nuance difference between this and the last time I saw an AfD with socks. That said...yeah. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 20:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. A sockpuppet investigation showed that Metalsfan, Superargento, and F.manuali were sockpuppets of EccellenzaItalia. The other SPAs were unrelated, but as said above, it's likely that it's off-wiki canvassing, possibly via a forum or through the workplace. Sockpuppet investigations/EccellenzaItalia Tokyogirl79 (talk) 08:07, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

COMMENTBold text I'm very disappointed by the last comment. This is my last comment. I'm not the sockpuppets of anybody. I know Eurocantera and its business, that's it. Moreover, there are many evidences about Eurocantera: many important websites and many important international journals and newspapers and ONG organization talk about Eurocantera. This is not my opinion. Thank you for your attention.Metalsfan 08:55, 5 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.101.48.218 (talk)
 * If that is the case, then why did I not see enough reliable independent coverage of the company in neutral, news websites? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:41, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Coverage is available. I'll collect it EccellenzaItalia 17:01, 01 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.101.48.218 (talk) Um, you just gave yourself away. If you'll note, your post-block post by Metalsfan and your post-block post by EccellenzaItalia were signed by SineBot...as the exact same IP. At the very least, this means that the two of you are posting from the same shared network. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 18:39, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I am in good faith. If you are in good faith, as I think, take care about Wikipedia, look at facts and save articles that improuve the project. EccellenzaItalia 17:40, 09 March 2012 (UTC)

This is my email address, write me and I'll will explain you all the articles I wrote in the past, from music to history of wars. EccellenzaItalia 17:40, 09 March 2012 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 00:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

 "keep this article so useful for us, luxury professionals" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.127.15 (talk) 12:53, 19 March 2012 (UTC) Please check all the articles concerning mining companies. You will find many articles with less coverage and no reliable third party sources. Thank you. EccellenzaItalia 09:55, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Firstly, I have struck all of the single purpose account/sockpuppet !votes. There is no evidence suggesting that this subject meets the notability guidelines for organizations, as the subject lacks a significant amount of coverage in reliable third party sources. Alpha_Quadrant   (talk)  00:32, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. We don't abstain from deleting an article just because there are non-notable articles in the same topic area elsewhere on the project. Alpha_Quadrant   (talk)  14:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm pretty much just here to concur with what AQ has said. Saying that other articles exist in poorer or similar states does not justify your article being kept. All it means is that those articles haven't been found and nominated for deletion. If you want to WP:BEBOLD and nominate them for deletion or point them out here so someone else can nominate them, feel free to do so. But we will not keep articles just because another page has fewer quotes and has thus far missed detection.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 17:41, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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