Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eurogamer (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep under WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 13:49, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Eurogamer
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I see no evidence of notability. In the previous AFD, back in 2006, the only Keep !vote that mentioned notability at all, in response to a nomination that cited a lack of notability, insisted that there were millions of Google hits and that an Alex rank of 7500 was sufficient to qualify it as notable. Well, I'm running a Google search for and getting 25 hits (Google back in 2006 was a lot less selective and would show duplicate after duplicate as well as many more garbage pages with random words). I'm seeing only one that amounts to significant and independent coverage. Largoplazo (talk) 21:12, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Video games and Websites. Largoplazo (talk) 21:12, 5 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Largoplazo Not refuting the basis of this AFD yet, but could you elaborate about your link to a Google search and "getting 25 hits"? I get "About 18,000,000 results". -- ferret (talk) 21:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I provided the link to the relevant Google search: Largoplazo (talk) 22:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Largoplazo Yes, yes you did. You attest that link only returns 25 hits. However, I get 18,000,000. -- ferret (talk) 22:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment – Google Search is clearly having a bit of a stroke at the moment. A search for "Google" currently yields only 65 results, "Facebook" gives 40 sources, but "Facebook.com my grandson Nathan" returns 1,860,000 hits. Google and Facebook are undoubtedly notable, whereas a meme might not be. Google Search result counts should never be the deciding factor for notability, and this current issue adds to this belief. If you go through the WP:VG custom reliable sources search, you get a solid 9 million results (albeit limited to 10 pages of 10 sources each) that you could use to look for sources, such as . IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 21:58, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Do note VG247 is not independent though. -- ferret (talk) 22:07, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Right. While I didn't have this in mind right then, my sources were just exemplatory to show that there should be more than 25 Google results. Excluding VG247 still results in more than 9 million hits, with plenty of possible sources available. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 22:18, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Using Bing, it says at the top of the results, "1,060,000 Results" but when I page through, though on page 5 of the results it says "48-59 Of 1,030,000 Results", on page 6 I get "There are no results for eurogamer. Check your spelling or try different keywords." So unless Bing is a regurgitator of Google's search corpus or vice versa, it doesn't look like the sparseness of mentions of this purportedly well-known website is a matter of a momentary Google glitch. However, I do take note of what is being related here, and I'll consider whether there's a reason why this site is widely reported in reliable places outside the notice of two major search engines. If I can ascertain that, I'll withdraw my nomination. Though I actually like trout. Largoplazo (talk) 22:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Largoplazo You're definitely having some sort of search engine oddity at this time. Eurogamer is one of the largest publications for video games, with millions of non-duplicate hits. Even limiting results to those deemed reliable by WP:VG/S's custom search, and removing sister sites from the results, has millions of results. Separate from WP:N, they are undoubtably reliable and frequently quoted by other publications (which makes WP:BEFORE a pain, tbh) -- ferret (talk) 22:45, 5 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep Per sources found by IceWelder, the basis behind the nomination was clearly a technical malfunction of Google and WP:TROUT the nominator for not doing any more detective work than a mere Google search, much less using other search engines to confirm it wasn't otherwise. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Bing, at the moment, similarly chooses not to display more than 59 results for a search for eurogamer. Also, I like trout—though I take seriously the feedback I'm receiving here. Largoplazo (talk) 22:45, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep (Edit conflict with Zxcvbnm and independent of IceWelder's sourcing) It cannot be overstated how careful you need to be in searching for Eurogamer sourcing. See the list of sister sites at Gamer Network. The article is in really poor shape, with 95% of the sourcing being primary or non-independent. However, I just added over 10 sources of reliable coverage to the talk page as refideas, and there's plenty more I could have listed, but I felt I'd done enough WP:BEFORE. -- ferret (talk) 22:05, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Zxcvbnm and IceWelder. Andre🚐 22:51, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per the addition of sources on the talk page. WP:GNG is clearly met here. --MuZemike 00:52, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Initially, I found it bizarre that Eurogamer, with notability on par with IGN and Polygon (website) was AfDed, before searching on Google to see it only displayed 22 results with some omitted, if you continue without omitted results, there're much more. Still, the refs found by and  on talk clearly indicate that WP:GNG or WP:NWEB is met, I've added a couple, they are all RS on WP:VG/RS, despite VG247's independence concerns and seem to be SIGCOV. I know there's another article for the expo despite it mentioned here, but on Kotaku there's a couple of refs for that one as well. VickKiang (talk) 03:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Snow keep. Clearly some kind of technical malfunction led to this AFD nom for one of the biggest game news sites in the world. Axem Titanium (talk) 10:07, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Google must've been having issues that day as the same link to the google search for Eurogamer returns 19,000,000 results for me, rather than a mere 25. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:14, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Striking my comment about it returning 19,000,000 results... I dunno what's going on but when you go to page 3 it says there's now only 25 results... how strange. Still, I"m keeping my keep vote since it's been demonstrated to meet WP:GNG and WP:NWEB. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:17, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep One of the premier gaming news website of today. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:31, 7 September 2022 (UTC)


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