Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Europe Engulfed


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The "keep" arguments are based on this game winning one or more awards. But this does not address the arguments for deletion, which is a lack of reliable sources. Per WP:V, a core policy, we must not include content that cannot be verified in reliable sources. WP:GNG likewise requires such sources. I must therefore discount the "keep" opinions.  Sandstein  07:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Europe Engulfed

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No sources provided on the article. BoardGameGeek do cover the game, but it is not WP:RS and coverage on BGG alone does not make a board game notable. Does not pass WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. SunDawn (talk) 07:38, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. SunDawn (talk) 07:38, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. I found a video review on a popular board gaming YT channel: . Not seeing anything else that's reliable (a blog review here and there), and this title is new enough there should be some digitized coverage. Seems to fail WP:GNG. Ping me if better sources are found. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:10, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  09:10, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. It's an award-winning board game, winning the Charles S. Roberts Award for Best World War II Boardgame.  It was also an extremely rare wargame which ranked in the Top 10 of Boardgamegeek.com briefly in 2005; Paths of Glory might be the only other wargame to achieve this ranking or fame. Durindaljb (talk) 12:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , We only have a reference for Charles S. Roberts Award. Even if we accept it as significant, is winning a single award sufficient to make the game notable, given that it otherwise fails GNG - there are no reviews of other coverage? I am not convinced. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:07, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:18, 29 March 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Highly rated and winner of multiple prizes = obviously notable. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:38, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per above comments, and per WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. BOZ (talk) 01:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.