Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/EvAngelos Frudakis


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was draftify. There seems to be a general consensus that he is likely notable, but that this should go through AFC first as a case of paid editing. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:41, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


 * What's going on with this article? I see discussion of merging two articles on Evangelos Frudakis and I see discussion of cleaning up an article on Frudakis because Cher Skoubo wrote it after receiving a "small payment" but I don't see any discussion on not having ANY article on Evangelos Frudakis.
 * Why was one article not retained after cleanup? He is certainly a notable figure in the Philadelphia art world.
 * I can't make these comments on the "the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page" because there is no longer ANY article that exists with a talk page. Pascalulu88 (talk) 01:41, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

EvAngelos Frudakis

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no evidence of meeting criteria for visual artists--no evidence of work in major museum, or critical studies  DGG ( talk ) 01:34, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:38, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Utah-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:38, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - There are two articles on this person: EvAngelos Frudakis and EvAngelos William Frudakis. Netherzone (talk) 01:45, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:03, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I am also nominating the following related pages because the content is identical:: Vexations (talk) 11:08, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. The Union List of Artist Names has an entry for the subject: http://www.getty.edu/vow/ULANFullDisplay?find=&role=&nation=&subjectid=500065489 and gives his name as Frudakis, Evangelos William. Vexations (talk) 11:26, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - There are two articles on this person: EvAngelos Frudakis and EvAngelos William Frudakis. I am not certain how to comment here. I created the pages. I only would like to keep EvAngelos William Frudakis. People may search for the sculptor under both names but listing should be his full name as this is how he signs his sculpture. I do not know how to delete EvAngelos Frudakis. (talk)
 * Comment I nominated EvAngelos William Frudakis for speedy deletion, as there is no outcome where we will keep two identical articles.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , wouldn't it make more sense to redirect it (in case it is kept, which I think is a distinct possibility)? That's not the WP:COMMONNAME and it's creator pretty much asked for it to be deleted. I think they somehow tried to create a redirect from EvAngelos Frudakis to EvAngelos William Frudakis but didn't know how to do that. I'm very unhappy about the lack of disclosure, but working with the creator now, so perhaps we can do something productive. Frudakis seems to have received some peer recognition, including some notable awards. Vexations (talk) 21:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a bit of a mess! Anything you think would get rid of one of the copies is fine with me. If EvAngelos Frudakis is speedied, then this AFD will be deleted as well. It's also becoming increasingly clear that this is UPE.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Draftify I have the sense that he may be notable, based on the many public monuments created. (eg Kennedy bust in front of Nashua town hall). However this also appears to be paid editing and should be draftified and then run through AFC. The creator did the article subject's web site, and has mentioned other connections. See the COI query here...ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I did not create the article subject's website. As far as I know, the subject does not have a website.Cher Skoubo (talk) 00:54, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Update: article creator has disclosed that this is paid editing.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:03, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Draftify - Agree that he is probably notable, given that he won a Prix de Rome, and the permanent public art works. The article creator needs to declare her paid COI on both versions of the article; pinging her since this discussion will be helpful to her as a new editor. Netherzone (talk) 16:08, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have used the template making the disclosure on both talk pages and they have been removed. Can you explain why?
 * the article does not have a talk page. I'll create one for you, then you will be able to place the disclosure template on the talk page. And please don't forget to sign your posts with 4 tildes when you post on talk pages and this page also. Netherzone (talk) 23:56, 3 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - Thank you. I put the disclosures previously on the talk pages. They were visible and at the top of the talk page. When I returned to the talk pages they were removed prior to the deletion of the page. Isn't this the location that they should be at? I also put them on my user talk page. Please advise as I read the Wikipedia instructions and understood that this was the requested location. If not, please let me know where. Thanks again. Cher Skoubo (talk) 00:32, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Draftify the article should have gone through AfC in the first place anyway, as the creation of an editor with a conflict of interest. The subject is likely (albeit marginally) notable. Vexations (talk) 16:30, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have put the disclosure back up on the Talk page, viewable at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:EvAngelos_Frudakis Please confirm if OK and advise if not. The subject is not a client as he is dead. The family paid me a small amount but most of my time is volunteered at no charge. I hope that the disclosure does not disappear again.Cher Skoubo (talk) 01:23, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have used sources such as the Smithsonian Institution, the National Sculpture Society, the American Academy in Rome, the National Register of Historical Places. Are these not acceptable to Wikipedia? I have no interest in promotion. The artist is dead. I am documenting and trying to follow all guidelines. Cher Skoubo (talk) 23:35, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You literally just disclosed recently on my talk page that you were getting paid to write the article. That is the definition of paid promotion. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:31, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - Yes, as explained above, as soon as I was aware that this was needed I read the guidelines and posted the template on the talk pages and on my talk page. They were removed off of the site talk pages prior to the deletion of the subjects's page. I did not do that and I wondered who would have done that and why. Cher Skoubo (talk) 10:14, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As I mention above, you never created a talk page for this article, so you could not have posted a disclosure. I'm sure it was an oversight on your part, so I went ahead and created a talk page for you on Sept 3. Nothing was removed by anyone, you just forgot to make a talk page when you created the article. Look at the talk page history to see for yourself. Netherzone (talk) 14:04, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I put the disclosure on my talk page with links to the sites. Then I clicked on the site link and tried to paste it at the top of the site page. It gave me a message that it had to go on the Site Talk page. I clicked on the Talk tab and pasted it at the top for each site. If it was not the Talk page for that page I am not certain where it was. I will take screen grabs in the future as I am truly trying to comply with all of the regulations and standards of Wikipedia.Cher Skoubo (talk) 14:48, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - Evangelos Frudakis was awarded the Medal of Honor for Lifetime Achievement from the National Sculpture Society. This is their highest honor in the field of sculpture. Would you like me to have them email you with their records? He was also awarded their Meiselman Prize in 1981, the Herbert Adams Award in 1976 and their Gold Medal in 1972. EvAngelos Frudakis was awarded other awards and has created monumental sculptures in National Historic Parks and National Buildings. He taught at the Pennsylvania Academy of Fine Art. His students are on Wikipedia as well as sculptors that he studied with. He studied with Paul Jennewein, Robert Laurent, Paul Manship, Edward McCartan and Brenda Putnam. He had an assistant position with with sculptor Jo Davidson. The sculptures of EvAngelos Frudakis are in permanent collections or installed in historic locations. For example, The Signer is permanently installed in Independence National Historic Park. This is a permanent installation in a national historic location. I think there was confusion because of the name change and I published the page when I was trying to include his middle name. I apologize for this mistake as I realize that you all are extremely busy. I can recreate the page using any process that you would like and you can tell me the list of editors you would like to review it. Please explain why you think he has not made a significant contribution to sculpture and public art. I am glad to ask the National Sculpture Society to contact you directly if you need to speak to someone to verify information and why they awarded him their highest award. Please let me know what you need to verify the accuracy of information and the quality of his contributions. I only wish to document accurate information following all rules and regulations of Wikipedia. Thanks. Cher Skoubo (talk) 00:05, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


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