Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eva Carlston Academy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify. for incubation and potential improvement. Recommend going through AfC to avoid G4 issues if returned to mainspace. Star  Mississippi  23:11, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Eva Carlston Academy

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Does not pass WP:ORGCRIT. The best source is Refinery29: secondary, independent, in-depth, but only arguably reliable (see the RSP entry). Breaking Code Silence on which much of the content is based, is not reliable. Much of its content is quoted from user-generated content sites, like Reddit. The Legal Newsline piece is only tangentially about the facility, and the rest of the sources are non-independent. I did not find any better sources using Google News, Newspapers.com, or The Wikipedia Library. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Utah. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Delete Keep and draftify As it makes life easier! I have to agree, also it rather reads like an attack page... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:29, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * This article is being worked on so let's move it to the draft page. There are more sources to incldue. Farr4h2004 (talk) 23:12, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * For this school, there is independent coverage on the school that is notable. There is the Refinery article and additional ones.
 * https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/06/10401693/troubled-teens-programs-industry-problem
 * https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/wilderness-therapy-camps-paris-hilton-b1984632.html Farr4h2004 (talk) 00:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The Independent source came up in my search. The whole relevant content in it is just "She spent the better part of the next two years at Eva Carlston Academy, which is viewed as another cog in the TTI machine." That's not significant enough a mention to demonstrate notability. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Multiple articles about it being a notable TTI program and featured in articles seems to be notable. Farr4h2004 (talk) 01:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Draftify as per WP:ATD. There is one reference that meets NCORP criteria for notability as it stands, the article in refinery29.com. The rest are either PRIMARY sources or mentions-in-passing. Searching for sources has not uncovered anything significant for me. Farr4h2004, the original author, has requested the article is draftified and this appears sensible. I note one editor says it reads like an attack page and I agree that the article should have better balance - something else that can be worked on in Drafts.  HighKing++ 20:49, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I do think the "attack page"-iness can be addressed in draftspace, but I don't think this article has enough potential notability for draftification to be the right move here. I'd gladly endorse your position if one more NCORP-compliant source appears during this discussion. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:10, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * For me, if another NCORP-qualifying source appears, this topic just about NCORP meets notability and I'd !vote to Keep. Which is why I think Draftify is a better option right now - for that reason and the re-balancing.  HighKing++ 11:57, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The school is receiving notability in the news https://www.sltrib.com/news/2022/06/21/utah-man-flips-off-his. This article is solely about the school. So there are several article about it now. Farr4h2004 (talk) 23:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Good find, Farr4h2004. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:43, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Good point on draftifying, HighKing. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:43, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I'd have to vote Keep 1keyhole (talk) 12:32, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm now a Keep on this, as a second NCORP-compliant source has been published and mentioned above by Farr. I'd withdraw and speedy close as the nominator, but can't do so since there has been another delete !voter. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:43, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the second source is NCORP-compliant but it's marginal. And as noted above there are serious enough issues that I'd prefer to see improvement happen outside of mainspace. I'm changing my !vote to Draftify. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:40, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep but improve. Not in good shape at this moment. Wareon (talk) 06:31, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment The SLT article appears to satisfied some here that it meet NCORP. The article is about a neighbourhood protesting the school's proximity. My issue with this article is that to establish notability, it must contain in-depth information about the organization from an unaffiliated source (as per WP:SIRS). There really isn't anything in this article that meets the CORPDEPTH criteria., is there a particular part of that article you think meets the criteria? Happy to HEY if I'm missing something here.  HighKing++ 20:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . I'm thinking the first few paragraphs of the section "Eva Carlston Academy moves in" are significant enough coverage. Do you disagree? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, what kills that for me is the "according to its website" at the end of the first para...  HighKing++ 10:00, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I think there's enough other stuff there, even without the line that is attributed to their site. We can glean: Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:03, 28 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Draftify and require the article to be approved through an WP:AFC review per High King. I'm not convinced that the sourcing is strong enough to pass WP:NCORP, but time in development could reach that point eventually as more sources emerge.4meter4 (talk) 17:12, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - sourcing is poor, and has serious WP:NPOV issues. The entire program structure section is sourced with a primary source and a link from a non-profit that tries to prevent abuse in treatment centers.  I'm not even sure there's enough here to consider adding some general info to Residential treatment center.  I Googled the school and don't see any reliable media coverage beyond the piece posted above that discusses the protest held by the neighbor.  There are a lot of protests for lots of similar businesses, as well as sober living homes, but that doesn't make the business notable. Fails WP:GNG. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  22:31, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Draftify. Reluctantly.  I'm not certain this is notable as I can only find the one source that would go to WP:ORGCRIT, the refinery29 article.  It has passing mention elsewhere.  I'm not sure if it's the right thing to do to have an article on each institution of this type, though certainly the category of institution is notable.  FalconK (talk) 02:54, 3 July 2022 (UTC)


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