Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eva Carneiro


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The result was   delete. No policy based arguments have been presented for inclusion. v/r - TP 22:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Eva Carneiro

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Physician of Chelsea FC without anything remarkable in het career. Notability is not inherited, so her (former) employer(s) don't make her notable. Fails WP:GNG, Night of the Big Wind  talk  17:00, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. Did you look for any other means by which she could be notable rather than just focusing on 'inheritance'? There's already a substantial article cited in the article and Google News also has these:, , , , . --Michig (talk) 17:17, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me, what have those articles to offer. Article 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 just tells me that she is female and has a job at a soccer club, nothing more. Nothing what would make here notable. Night of the Big Wind  talk  21:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting is also that this article was Proposing article for deletion per WP:PROD., but that the nomination was deleted by an IP.. A notability and BLP-sources tag was also removed without explanation . Something fishy here... Night of the Big Wind  talk  22:09, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What they tell you isn't really the issue, but rather whether these are significant coverage. --Michig (talk) 06:05, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you show a list of articles that add nothing to her notability. She is still just a lady with a job at a soccerclub. Would you write an article about her when she was the team doctor of the MK Dons, Charlton Athletic F.C., Nottingham Forest F.C., Wigan Athletic F.C. or Liverpool F.C.? Night of the Big Wind  talk  11:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The same can be said of very many footballers with Wiki articles; "They are just a guy with a job at a football club" or even musicians "just a guy with a job for a rock band". The article should be kept as it is of interest to football fans, chelsea fans and people from Gibraltar.


 * And for what it is worth: the articles about ms. Carneiro on the Dutch and Spanish Wikipedia are also nominated for removal. Night of the Big Wind  talk  11:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Per WP:GNG the existence of those articles tells us about her notability, we don't require coverage to also demonstrate additional notability. --Michig (talk) 15:59, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It is the quality of sources that tells about the notability of the subject. Not the quantity of sources. And it is not the case that sources have to demonstrate additional notability, the souces have to demonstratie that she is notable. Night of the Big Wind  talk  16:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." If the coverage in significant and the sources are reliable, GNG says that the existence of those sources is demonstration of notability. --Michig (talk) 16:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * significant coverage. Not trivial coverage claiming that the team doctor is sexy, as four of your five sources do. (And the fifth is in fact a photo caption.) Enough now with this WP:FANCRUFT. Night of the Big Wind  talk  17:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * She has received a significant amount of popularity among fans.(Jatinbhatt blap (talk) 15:42, 5 April 2012 (UTC))
 * Popularity is not the same as notability. And secondly, Chelsea-fans are only a minority among footbalfans (what goes far beyond England and the UK). Night of the Big Wind  talk  16:30, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Doesn't being popular make her notable as well? What notable has a player like Alex Smithies done to get a wikipedia page on himself? And sorry but I don't think someone can call chelsea fans a minority among football fans. They are an internationally followed team with a lot of support in Asia, America and Africa.(Jatinbhatt blap (talk) 04:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC))
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 21:04, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - I see no evidence of notability other than the fact that she is a female with a job in a male-dominated sport. GiantSnowman 21:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * In that case you are questioning the importance of a doctor's job. (Jatinbhatt blap (talk) 10:11, 6 April 2012 (UTC))
 * Come on, stop with your fancruft and come up with real evidence of her notability. Night of the Big Wind  talk  12:38, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Evidence has already been given above, which I see you are conveniently refusing to accept.(Jatinbhatt blap (talk) 10:59, 7 April 2012 (UTC))
 * Sorry, mate. The links you gave earlier do not prove her notability! You can ignore that if you wish. But as long as you don't proof that ms. Carneiro is notable, it is more then likely that the closing administrator will remove this article. Did she win any prizes for being a team doctor? Any scientific prizes? Night of the Big Wind  talk  13:24, 7 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. There appear to be two things being confused here. Coverage can verify that a subject meets one or more of our accepted notability criteria by demonstrating awards, achievements, etc.. The GNG also states that the fact that a subject has received significant coverage means that they are (generally) considered notable - that coverage doesn't need to also tell us that the subject is notable via some additional criteria. The argument that the coverage doesn't demonstrate notability beyond the fact that the coverage exists is therefore fallacious. While much of the coverage is of the 'sexy Chelsea physio' variety, more than one example goes into considerably more depth including details of her career prior to Chelsea (there is much more coverage around than those examples listed above). Plenty of people are notable solely because of their looks and receive coverage because of that, the difference here perhaps is that this is not Carneiro's career choice. Whether or not consensus is that there should be an article here, arguments that coverage has been received because she works for Chelsea and should therefore be discounted on the basis of WP:INHERIT simply don't hold water. --Michig (talk) 14:07, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * In short: forget het job at Chelsea and forget her looks, what is left then what makes her notable? If you think you have enough information to make her notable without those two, feel free to add it. Night of the Big Wind  talk  12:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I refer you to my previous comment. --Michig (talk) 12:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. She has worked with the Female British Olympic squad so how can one say that the article exists only because of her job at Chelsea? Whether she is a sexy physio doesn't obviously make her notable. What matters is that she is a renowned physio.(Jatinbhatt blap (talk) 08:28, 8 April 2012 (UTC))
 * Because nobody found her notable while working with the Olympic team. And she is still just a woman with a job. Quite visible, but still a job. She is a doctor, so for notability you should expect her to be outstanding or special as a doctor. Running around in a stadium in front of a bunch of soccer fans, does not prove her abilities as doctor. No prizes or awards. Night of the Big Wind  talk  12:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Then footballer Alex Smithies, what makes him notable? She is a doctor, which in itself is an important job and her prominent appointments make her notable. It is as simple as that. You're asking me to forget her job at chelsea and take out her looks, but the fact is, she has got a job at chelsea and whether you like it or not, she is famous among not only chelsea fans but fans all around because of her looks.(Jatinbhatt blap (talk) 14:00, 9 April 2012 (UTC))
 * OTHERSTUFFEXISTS Night of the Big Wind  <sub style="color:maroon;">talk  06:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment She is searched more than 40,000 times on google every month.(Jatinbhatt blap (talk) 14:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC))
 * As I have said earlier: popularity is not the same as notability. And with a click generator it is not so difficult to get 40k hits, so it says nothing. Night of the Big Wind  <sub style="color:maroon;">talk  06:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * Comment She is female and works in football. nuff said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.59.39 (talk) 14:45, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That is true, but says nothing about her notability. Night of the Big Wind  <sub style="color:maroon;">talk  06:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * Keep Just like the coach of a famous athletic club is notable, so is the cief team physician.  DGG ( talk ) 05:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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