Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evert–Mandlikova rivalry (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure). Stubbleboy 17:20, 15 January 2012 (UTC) AfDs for this article: 
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It is just a repository of results and is unsourced. There are also no reliable sources, which describe this as a rivalry. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about about my edits? 09:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete There is no subject here. There is no suggestion that there was a "rivalry", they just happened to be two of the top players of the time. This is just a list of results. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 19:29, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Similar tennis rivalry articles have been deleted recently, e.g. Articles for deletion/Agassi–Chang rivalry (2nd nomination). The problem is that without independent media coverage about 'the rivalry' itself, these articles are nothing but head-to-head results lists, and we have no prose to go with it. It then fails WP:NOTSTATSBOOK.
 * According to WP:NSPORTS, rivalries are not inherently notable. We need several sources about the rivalry to justify having a standalone article about it. That's also what we included in the notability guidelines on the wikiproject tennis recently WikiProject_Tennis/Article_guidelines.
 * If somebody can find sources we can keep this article, otherwise it is a delete. MakeSense64 (talk) 11:57, 31 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep the article just because no sources have been added does not mean this rivalry was not relevant simply find them. Infact until Graf came on to the scene seriously around 1985-86 Mandlikova was the only female player to break the Navratilova, Evert duopoly in women's tennis during the early 1980's. --Navops47 (talk) 17:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment If this was not a serious rivalry can someone explain this press coverage from 1981 to me then The Telegraph Herald September 8th 1981 That's a newspaper article providing media coverage of the rivalry look around people. --Navops47 (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Good find. Happy to admit I'm wrong withdraw delete if a couple more like this can be found and added. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 18:46, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I have added the source found by Navops47 to the article as a reference. I want to give this every chance, but I am sticking with "delete" unless at least one similar story turns up. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 01:41, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Another newspaper article from the Pittsburgh Press 1981 describing it as an intense rivalry --Navops47 (talk) 02:56, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Another on-line article here from the Sun Sentinel Newspaper stating 'Evert and Mandlikova had met every year at the U.S. Open since the 1980 final, when they played their first match. It has become a traditional fall rivalry, and Evert leads 18-3'
 * http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1985-09-06/news/8502070114_1_hana-mandlikova-evert-last-year-semifinals.
 * Comment In this article from the WTA it uses the term notable head to head's http://www.wtatennis.com/news/20100101/looking-back-at-a-legend-chris-evert_2256076_1920790 --Navops47 (talk) 04:08, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination in light of the sources found by Navops47. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 09:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
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