Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ex Libris Association


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The result was delete. No further sources were presented despite being twice told that the sources are not sufficient.  So Why  09:24, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Ex Libris Association

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Article about an organization, referenced entirely to its own self-published content about itself with no evidence of reliable source coverage shown to get it over WP:GNG or WP:ORGDEPTH -- and further, the article was created by User:Luckyexlib, suggesting a direct conflict of interest. As always, every organization is not automatically entitled to a Wikipedia article just because it exists -- it must be properly sourced as passing a Wikipedia notability criterion. Bearcat (talk) 18:01, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  M assiveYR   ♠  20:13, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions.  M assiveYR   ♠  20:13, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello:

The following confirms the EX LIBRIS ASSOCIATION through an independent source -- an international directory of library, archive and information science associations published in 2011

WORLD GUIDE TO LIBRARY, ARCHIVE AND INFORMATION SCIENCE ASSOCIATIONS (2011) page 133 Canada 2011


 * 1) 179 Ex libris Association (ELA)

Address c/o Faculty of Information Studies, University of Toronto. 140 51. George St, Toronto, ON M5S 3G6, Canada. E-mail: ExLibris@fis.uloromo.ca; Languages: English Established: 1986 Officers 2005: Pres: Peter Mutchler; Past Pres: Nancy Williamson; Sec: Jean Weihs; Member Sec: Jean Wechter; Treas: Diane Henderson. 9 Members at large Staff: None General Assembly General membership meets once a year Membership 200 personal and 5 organizational members. Requirements: Interest in objectives of Association. Dues: 25 Canadian Dollars Structure: (Governed by Board of Directors. Affiliations: Ontario Library Association Sources of Support: Membership dues. donations. sales Major Fields of Interest: History of libraries; oral history; archival material Major Goals and Objectives: (1) Provide a forum for interested individuals; (2) provide a vehicle for collection of oral library history; (3) identify and ensure collection of materials relating to library history; (4) encourage identification of holdings of archival history: (5) provide a focus for intellectual and social activities of retired members of the library community Activities: Personal and Institutional Archives, W. Kaye Lamb Award, Library Education Anniversary Publications Official Journal: ELAN Ex Libris Association Newsletter (pdf)

Sincerely, Luckyexlib — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckyexlib (talk • contribs) 20:21, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Directory entries are not notability-assisting sources. We require reliable source coverage about it in actual books and newspapers, not just directory listings. Bearcat (talk) 20:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  A  Train talk 09:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete All sources in the article are published by the article subject. Notability not established by WP:RS. A seach turns up nothing. Note to Luckyexlib: if there was an association of Nobel prize winners and no one wrote about that associaton in reliable sources, we would not have an article on it  here in Wikipedia. The standard for notability (i.e. inclusion) is that RS have written about the article subject. In the case of Ex Libris, there is little to no coverage in published sources. Hope that helps.96.127.242.251 (talk) 07:46, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

LET's KEEP IT GUYS! SEE BELOW FOR INDEPENDENT STUFF

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Association’s work cited independently:

“With so few schools, the historical development of education at each Canadian institution and across institutions has been well-documented in ALISE statistical reports (see Daniel and Saye (2005) for an example of an annual report) and the work of the Ex Libris Association, a national Canadian association of people who have spent an important part of their work life in libraries, archives, publishing houses and adjunct fields and who are now attracted to historical and current issues (see, for example, Land, 2004).” Cited by “ Ken Haycock, “Education for library and information studies in Canada: a cross-cultural comparison” New Library World ((2007) B Ex Libris publication on Canadian library technicians cited by Erickson, N. and Shamchuk, L. "Paraprofessional Library Education in Canada: An Environmental Scan / La formation paraprofessionnelle en bibliothéconomie: un portrait de la situation." Canadian Journal of Information and Library Science, vol. 41 no. 1, 2017 C Ex Libris published monograph, The Morton Years (1995), cited by Greg Bak, "The Greatest Librarians of the World.... Were Not Graduates of Library School" Libraries & Culture (2002).

Ex Libris Association people, activity, and publications also cited in the following 13 cases in a “quick” search covered 1987 to 2017.

"Annual Conference Awards 2008." Feliciter 54.4 (2008): 148-52. ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017. "CLA National Conference Awards 2012." Feliciter 58.4 (2012): 19-22. ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017. "Ex Libris Interested in Archival Materials." Feliciter 33.4 (1987): 9. ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017. "Recent Publications Relating to Canada." The Canadian Historical Review 77.4 (1996): 591-609. ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017. Chang, Lucy. "Olga Bernice Bishop: Librarian-Bibliographer-Educator." Order No. MM66746 University of Alberta (Canada), 1991. Ann Arbor: ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017. Davidson-Arnott, Frances. "Libraries in Iceland." Feliciter 51.5 (2005): 225-7. ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017. ---. "Reborn to New Glory: The British Museum Reading Room." Feliciter 52.2 (2006): 79-81. ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017. Haycock, Ken. "Education for Library and Information Studies in Canada: A Cross-Cultural Comparison." New Library World 108.1 (2007): 32-9. ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017. Hulse, Elizabeth. "The Morton Years: The Canadian Library Assn, 1946-1971 // Review." Quill & Quire 62.3 (1996): 68. ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017. Newman, Wendy. "Library Education at 100: Still Hazy After all these Years?" Feliciter 51.1 (2005): 16-7. ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017. Weihs, Jean. "Retired - but Still Part of the Library World with Ex-Libris." Feliciter 55.5 (2009): 200-1. ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017. ---. "The Emergence of Library Technician Programs in Canada: A Brief History." Feliciter 54.2 (2008): 70-3. ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017. Weihs, Jean, and Frances Davidson-Arnott. "The Evolution of Library Technician Programs in Canada." Feliciter 51.1 (2005): 27-30. ProQuest. Web. 13 Oct. 2017.

Sincerely, Luckyexlib


 * Luckyexlib, please learn to sign your posts: WP:SIGN. Most of the citations in the second paragraph are from the online newsletter of the Canadian Library association... not particularly impressive. The quoted source in the first paragraph is what is called a passing mention. WP:RS has been mentioned several times because you should read it and inderstand it.96.127.242.251 (talk) 06:43, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Comment on reliable sources:

I believe references to the activity and publications of Ex Libris Association in major periodicals above such as ---

New Library World ((2007) Canadian Journal of Information and Library Science (2017) Libraries & Culture (2002) The Canadian Historical Review (1996) Quill & Quire (1996)

are reliable sources.

As for Feliciter (RIP) articles published by the Canadian Library Association in print and online until 2016, I would think that NOT FINDING INFORMATION OR ANY EVIDENCE about Ex Libris in a national library publication would bolster an argument for deletion rather than than the reverse thinking above.

Luckyexlib (talk) 21:11, 15 October 2017 (UTC)Luckyexlib
 * Reliable sources, for Wikipedia purposes, are independent of the subject. An organization does not get a Wikipedia article just because it has a website about itself, or because it has "coverage" in the newsletter of a directly-affiliated organization like the Canadian Library Association, or because its existence gets namechecked in articles that aren't about it — it gets a Wikipedia article when, and only when, it's the subject of coverage in sources that are fully independent of it. And you also need to familiarize yourself with our conflict of interest rules — as a person who's directly involved with the organization you get no special privilege to control the article's existence or its content or its sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 06:05, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  So Why  06:46, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. PhilKnight (talk) 00:22, 24 October 2017 (UTC)


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