Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ex YU rock enciklopedija 1960 - 2006


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The result was keep. Davewild (talk) 08:53, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Ex YU rock enciklopedija 1960 - 2006

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Non-notable self-published book. Can't find references or reviews. While I can't read Yugoslavian, the article smacks of self-promotion. Mikeblas (talk) 00:24, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * AGAINST. There is no self-promotion. I created the article, and it is just one of hundreds of articles on Yugoslav popular music I created. The third edition of the book was self-published, the first one was published by Geopoetika; I believe that Janjatović decided to publish the third edition by himself because of some disagreements with the publisher. The book is the only encyclopedia on Yugoslav rock music, and widely considered to be the most notable book about Yugoslav rock scene. Here are only some of the reviews: Muzika.hr, Popboks, Vreme, Danas, Naša Borba. I am also familiar with reviews from Oslobođenje, Dnevni avaz, Slobodna Bosna, Politika, Večernji list, which I can not find online, but I am prepared to add them to the article. I believe the attention from some of the most notable newspapers and magazines in the Balkans could be a proof of the book's importance. I think I should also point out that most of the articles on Yugoslav rock bands on Wikipedia have Janjatović's book as one of the primary sources; that is one of the reasons I believed the book deserves its own article. Ostalocutanje (talk) 10:28, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:04, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:04, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * AGAINST. The fact that you mention "Yugoslavian language", which doesn't exist, speaks about your knowledge of former Yugoslav culture and history, which, I'm afraid, refutes any argument whatsoever on the notability of anything coming from this former country. I am sorry, but you are stating that probably the most important book ever written on the matters of rock music in former Yugoslavia, and one of the most important documents on rock music beyond the Anglo-American language and cultural sphere is irrelevant, which is absolutely ridiculous. You can judge the quality of the article, and put tags for improving/adding references, but not for deletion. This is a very important cultural document, regarded in former Yugoslav republics as the most credible source of information, as it uses a plethora of written and documentary sources on the subject. Deleting the article on this book, also means deleting hundreds of articles reviewed by Wikipedia administrators as proper and quality articles which use the mentioned book as their primary source of information. The first edition of the book was released by Geopoetika, one of the most prominent and notable major publishers in Serbia, the second edition was also released by the same publisher, and the third was self-released. As for the "self-promotion" part, the author of the article is not the author of the book. You can say that the quotations from the author in the article may be unnecessary or inappropriate, but deleting the article for that reason is absurd. Your arguments, even though the word "argument" is not appropriate in this case, are not valid and justified, and therefore the article should not be deleted. If adding the 'Critical response and reception' section with links from the reviews and information on the general reception of the book, it would be mutually beneficial, to improve the article and remove the deletion tag.--Milosppf (talk) 13:42, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry -- I'm not familiar with Yugoslav culture. But I know about WP:NBOOKS. That the subject of the book itself is used by many Wikipedia articles does not directly demonstrate notability. We're discussing the deletion of this article only; not the deletion of "hundreds of other articles". Even if this article is deleted, other articles referencing the subject of this article are are unaffected.
 * If this is "a very important cultural document", then it should be very easy to find substantial third-party references that say so, and add them to the article. Instead, the article has only primary sources as references. -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:02, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Most of the reviews I mentioned describe this book as a milestone in the historiography of Yugoslav music; I will start to work on the "Critical reception" section. Ostalocutanje (talk) 14:11, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:11, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
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