Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Execuflight Flight EFT1526


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to British Aerospace 125.  MBisanz  talk 21:46, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Execuflight Flight EFT1526

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Non-notable private business jet accident, sad that it is fatal but wikipedia is not a news feed and biz jet crashes are not that uncommon and are rarely notable. No wiki notable people involved so would not even merit a mention in the aircraft article so certainly doesn't warrant a stand-alone article. MilborneOne (talk) 14:59, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. MilborneOne (talk) 15:13, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: Notification of the existence of this AfD has been made at WikiProject Aviation and WikiProject Aircraft, within whose scope this article falls. - Ahunt (talk) 15:32, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete, essentially WP:NOTNEWS.TheLongTone (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:24, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete, as per Ahunt and TheLongToneTSRL (talk) 18:05, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep as the deadliest air crash in Akron, Ohio and Summit County, Ohio in history. Also, unusual for business jet disasters, all occupants represent high-order executives of one real-estate company in Florida, effectively wiping it out. These reasons are not mentioned by the nominator, and I think non-Wikiproject Aviation concerns ought to have a weight in the article's notability. Also, the unusual involvement of the forensic anthropology team from proximate but out of state university to identify the dead. The NTSB findings, if they involve stall on approach and icing may have interesting recommendations for the type. The article has been viewed some 1200 times in the first 24-hour bar of its existence on the stats site, so it is clearly fulfilling Wikipedia's mission to inform. Finally, it is a damn-well written article, and I'd hate to have all my work go poof.  --Mareklug talk 19:09, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, crashes like this are Run-of-the-mill and happen on a weekly basis and are no more notable than a van or bus crash. No enduring effects beyond the deaths involved, no indication of a need for a change in procedures, airwothiness directives, etc. Also runs afoul of WP:NOTNEWS. Just because an aircraft crashed is not reason to have an article on each and every one. The media sensationalizes aircraft accidents and does not treat other transportation accidents the same way. Wikipedia does not have to succumb to this media sensationalism. - Ahunt (talk) 20:02, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete for same reason as Ahunt. Just because it is the worst aircraft crash in Summit County, Ohio doesn't mean it deserves it's own article. For those people saying that accidents like these are rare, look at the ASN wikibase and you will see that accidents like these actually do happen all the time. The only reason this particular one was on the news was because it occurred in the USA. In short, this crash fails the requirements needed to have it's own article. 111.69.111.24 (talk) 18:16, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to British Aerospace 125, to join all the other crashes that fail WP:AIRCRASH. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:11, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect with above comment of Clarityfiend.  A dog 104  Talk to me 03:46, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: According to ASN listing for the type, this is the 3rd deadliest for 26 occurrences since 1975 and the deadliest outside Africa. --Mareklug talk 04:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep as noted before, the crash is the deadliest in that area (county), also the investigation is still ongoing so its too early to say that this has no notability.--Halls4521 (talk) 05:49, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: It's too early to decide whether to delete or not. While it may not be enough for notability, this crash was reported nationally and internationally on many news networks (i.e.: ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, etc.) and social media. It wasn't just a local news matter. Also, the NTSB is still investigating the matter as it is unknown what caused the crash (not to mention there was no call for help from the plane). I would at least wait till after the findings are released.--Halls4521 (talk) 22:22, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: It will be at least a year and perhaps much longer before the NTSB has the cause determined and a final report published. We don't start articles on every crash in the hopes that it may turn out to have some future significance. See WP:CRYSTALBALL. It would be better to delete it now and then recreate it in several years time, if it turns out to have any significance. - Ahunt (talk) 22:29, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've been around Wikipedia since early 2000s, and I still scratch my head about the imperative to remove articles such as this. Forget the catfight about notability, people: This article has been viewed 1600 times when it was called 2015 Akron Raytheon Hawker 800 crash, then 1200 times on the first night out, and then 2500+ on the second (before the latest and likely the last page move), far more than the usual grab for WP:DYK articles linked from the Main Page. This article has not been promoted by anyone anywhere, to the best of my knowledge.  Doesn't this tell you there is a market for it?  People are reading it.  Why, why would you kill it? --Mareklug talk 02:10, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: "People are reading the article" is not an argument for keeping an article. Millions of people read the National Enquirer, but that does not prove the content is of value or, in this case that it meets Wikipedia policies and guidelines. - Ahunt (talk) 12:13, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge to Summit County, Ohio as the deadliest air crash for the county -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 07:33, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Definitely Keep Biz Jet crashes are not common at all and BAE125/Hawker 700 crashes are very rare - so rare as to be historic events. This event is so far unsolved and the cause of this crash is likely to be important to other operators of this type aircraft as well as aviation safety investigators. Please do not delete.cw5301 talk 08:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Definitely Keep as per above. This is an event which has been reported on by numerous news agencies as well as social media, and crashes involving the BAe 125 are few and far between.BrayLockBoy (talk) 13:54, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong keep This is not a "run of the mill" accident. A jet carrying 9 people crashed into an apartment building, killing all aboard and destroying the building. And despite what is suggested in the nomination, business jet crashes with fatalities are rare. Strong keep, as a rare business jet crash with numerous fatalities and a notable part of Akron's history. Juneau Mike (talk) 16:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Wide press coverage. 95.133.216.22 (talk) 17:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is not a common accident - business jets do not randomly fall out of the sky on approach, into apartment buildings, decimating structures on land. This is neither run of the mill nor common. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basit.mustafa (talk) 22:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment not sure where the idea the biz jet crashes are rare this is just one of eight fatal biz jet crashes this year, being in the news does not make it notable for a stand-alone article. Previous consensus is such accidents need to have killed somebody notable or hit something notable or caused a change to the way the industry operates, this not the case here. Also note if this is the worst fatal accident at Akron-Canton Airport then a mention there is not a problem but it is not notable for a mention elsewhere. MilborneOne (talk) 12:22, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It isn't the deadliest? In Summit County? We have an RS that claims it to be so, taking into account the WWII crash of a bomber. --Mareklug talk 15:49, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Then that might make it notable to the county and it should be mentioned in Summit County, Ohio. It doesn't need a stand-alone article for that. - Ahunt (talk) 16:23, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOTNEWS sst✈discuss 02:00, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge per above, a crash of a private business jet without long-term implications or historical impact. Brandmeistertalk  09:42, 21 November 2015 (UTC)


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