Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Exerball


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. – GorillaWarfare (talk) 00:19, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Exerball

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This is a sport allegedly founded four days ago, there is no hope of coverage in reliable sources. Note that "Exerball" is apparently a brand name for a type of exercise ball, and they are used in training for various sports it seems, so raw hit counts are particularly useless in this case. user:Evaders99 nominated this for speedy deletion with the rationale, "Wikipedia is not for things made up one day - WP:ONEDAY", but this is not a valid CSD criterion, and no actual criteria apply here. Thryduulf (talk) 10:21, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 16:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NFT. Wikipedia is not for things you just invented and posted to YouTube. No reliable source coverage found in search. • Gene93k (talk) 17:01, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

"Wikipedia is not for things made up one day - WP:ONEDAY"- Completely understood, however, this is not something that was made up in one day. This is something that has been carefully thought out for years, although only executed a few days ago. If wikipedia was around when the game of baseball was invented, we would be having this same issue. So having a wikipedia page dedicated to a sport that is gaining global recognition can only solidify it's existence. I understand that "Exerball" happens to also be a brand name for a type of exercise ball, but does that mean that anytime a product is listed with a name, nothing else can share it's name. I understand copyright laws but this doesn't seem like it falls under anything illegal. If I go and buy an "apple," am I buying produce or technology? How about if I'm watching "fox racing." That's a valid sport but it's also a brand name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeanKlitzner (talk • contribs) 18:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, if Wikipedia were around when baseball was invented and an article was created about it after four days then, absent any coverage in reliable sources or other indications of notability, then I would nominate that article for deletion. My argument is not that Exerball will never be notable, just that it is not notable now. We do not speculate on whether something will be notable in future or not - see WP:CRYSTAL.
 * My comments about the name Exerball were solely with regards to things like Google hits. Your "apple" example is a good one - it gets lots of hits (1.86 billion on Google.co.uk just now), but most of them are not about Gwyneth Paltrow's daughter. This does not automatically mean that she is not notable, merely that saying "she gets billions of google hits" is incorrect. Thryduulf (talk) 19:57, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * 20-Mule-Team Delete: I strongly recommend that Mr. Klitzner review WP:PILLAR to gain a better understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines. In the meantime, this of course runs afoul of WP:NFT and WP:V.  I rather liked the comment on the Youtube link that boasted about having pumped up the pageview count by a few hundred on his own.   ῲ Ravenswing ῴ  11:01, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * • Ravenswing- First off, i apologize for not giving you a background blue with cyan font in your name as I think it is degrading to all people who are color blind. As far as your tone in your comment, it just seems that you are so sure you are right, that it should actually make people take a moment and think about the validity of Exerball. Your comment about a comment pumping up the page view count is made up. There is no such comment or I think you would have posted it here for evidence. In all seriousness, I think you should invest in a bunch of exercise balls and take on this new sport so you can see for yourself why the entire nation is going crazy for it. Also, every good sport has sponsorships, and Exerball is no different. The EBA (Exerball Association) has been contacted by several companies who manufacture these balls along with a handful of brands interested in sponsoring players including Nike, Gatorade, and Wheaties. All is verifiable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeanKlitzner (talk • contribs) 17:53, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply: Terrific; then verify them. Forward us the names of the people at Nike, Gatorade and Wheaties who've contacted you.  Of course, you would have had to incorporate your "EBA" to receive any sponsorship contacts; in what state are you incorporated?  What's the EBA website - surely those companies had to have some address by which to contact you?  No doubt you've proof that this is "sweeping the nation" - could you provide the links to the news reports saying so? Ravenswing 19:10, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply: Since the sponsorships are currently being reviewed by lawyers, it is against the law to release the names of the people representing these brands, however, I can release the names of the people they are interested in sponsoring. One of those people is 14 time gold medalist Michael Phelps. Also, I think you misunderstood me when I was talking about the EBA. Unfortunately, it's not "my" EBA. I was contacted directly regarding the sponsorships. You said the EBA should be incorporated, but I don't think the EBA is what's in question here. It's the sport of exerball that is sweeping the nation. All the news reports that have backed this claim were live reports. ESPN just did a MAJOR story on this. Hopefully you can find it on their website. http://www.ESPN.com SeanKlitzner (talk 20:09, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yes, well, you're more than welcome to provide a link to any such story. It is also not against the law for any such release, incidentally, although that's a side issue, right along with you claiming that the "EBA" was directly contacted, and then changing your tune to you being the one who was contacted, two hours later.  (Never mind the honker about Michael Phelps, who already is sponsored by Nike and PepsiCo, and whom Kellogg dropped after the pot incident.)  Truth be told, this is starting to verge into WP:BULLSHIT country.  Better luck with your next article, which I suggest be created conforming to Wikipedia policies and guidelines.   ῲ Ravenswing ῴ  01:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Statement: You seem to be bringing up a lot of side issues rather than talk about Exerball, the sport that is sweeping the nation. I will address your side issues once more as I think it is becoming juvenile of you. If you'd like, we can continue with the talk of side issues on the phone, or perhaps through text messaging. Side Issue Addressment: Once these brands contact the EBA, they were given my info and then contacted me directly. That's normal procedure. I never said the three brands were all interested in Phelps. Obviously he is already sponsored by Nike, however once Kellogg's dropped him, he was fair game to other cereal companies and General Mills became interested. Maybe you should contact the EBA directly instead of berating me personally. Your Tone Addressment: It just seems that your tone is incredibly degrading and truth be told, is starting to verge into WP:BULLY. Please stop harassing me. SeanKlitzner (talk 11:41, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply: WP:Verifiability (a core Wikipedia content policy) is a big issue here. Per WP:V extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, which is not present. Your claims of notability need to be backed up by reliable published sources. If everything about Exerball is under wraps, then Exerball is not ready for Wikipedia. • Gene93k (talk) 13:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply: i don't understand. Where are the extraordinary claims when it deals with Exerball? Wait a minute Genester, are you referring to the sponsorships or the EBA again? LOL! Let's focus on the legitimacy of Exerball, the sport that is sweeping the nation, first. SeanKlitzner (talk 08:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

The sport is sweeping the town of Ellesmere Port in England and so is making an impact. User:deanlfc95 (talk) 18:40, 21 June 2011 (GMT)
 * Delete - not notable at all. "the entire nation is going crazy for it" clearly isn't true -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you got a source for that statement? The only page that google knows about that contains both "exerball" and "Ellesmere Port" this this deletion discussion. Wikipedia is based on the principle of verifiability - if it isn't verifiable it doesn't belong. Thryduulf (talk) 19:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
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