Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Extreme Baseball (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Courcelles 00:02, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Extreme Baseball
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Non-notable club competition. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:58, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.  —– Muboshgu (talk) 18:58, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I sometimes forget to check for past nominations before an XFD, and this is one of those times. However, it seemed to pass last time on WP:GOOGLEHITS and the unchallenged notion that "two functioning RS's" satisfies GNG. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 27 July 2011 (UTC) 
 * Delete. How did this pass last time? Seem to be some sort of novelty thing that is of local interest in Florida.. Dont see this having any sort of lasting notability. Spanneraol (talk) 12:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Its still around (surprisingly).  There's a 2011 article in The Ledger using its new name of Double Diamond Baseball. I've added to the article. —Bagumba (talk) 18:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources such as: 1) Orlando Sentinel, 2) Sanford Herald, and 3) 13News in Central Florida, 4) Daytona Beach News-Journal. Other sources might be found searching "xtreme baseball" or "National Xtreme Baseball League".  The teams seem to be based in Florida, hence the non-national coverage.  However, this is not WP:ROUTINE coverage that is the problem sometimes with local coverage used to establish notability, and multiple sources do exist. —Bagumba (talk) 01:56, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete The sources all seem rather local and are therefore not terribly independent of the subject. Alex (talk) 23:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 3 August 2011 (UTC)




 * Keep - Yes, two reliable independent sources documenting this sport DOES meet GNG. This is a small footnote to baseball history documented here, not some bar game dreamed up last night. And, per Begumba above, this is represented as the subject of at least four — an open and shut Keep. Carrite (talk) 03:14, 3 August 2011 (UTC) Last edit: Carrite (talk) 03:16, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I dont think "local" sources for the professional league should be be a factor because the article is about the sport in general, and not specifically the league where WP:CORPDEPTH might apply to local sources for a company. While I think the sources cited in the article already show notability of the sport, routine mentions in books and news on Google of the newer term, "Double Diamond Baseball", hopefully convince others that the sport is played out there and does draw some interest. WP can help educate others that run across the sport  but never heard of it (like myself before).—Bagumba (talk) 06:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep I'm as surprised as anybody else that this is a thing, but it's being played and its being written about verifiably in reliable sources. However, I'm not sure Double Diamond Baseball actually is the same thing as extreme baseball.  In Extreme Baseball, both teams run the bases (in opposite directions from each other) at the same time.  In Double Diamond Baseball, one team runs the bases at a time, but alternate batters run in opposite directions.  I think. gnfnrf (talk) 14:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * They both were credited in sources to Phil Weidner's invention in 2006, so they might be slight variants if they are different. Content of the article might need some clarification, but it seems both would be in the same article.  The NXBL uses both terms, so there website might have more info.  Again, its more of an article content issue than notability. —Bagumba (talk) 07:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.