Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eylül Cansın


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ––Redditaddict69 (talk) (contribs)  07:35, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Eylül Cansın

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WP:BLP1E: Cansın has only received coverage for having died by suicide. gnu 57 08:46, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and nothing about this incident rises to more than routine news coverage of a suicide.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:19, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - Far more than just a suicide. Her death sparked protests in several Turkish cities and brought to the public's attention police brutality against sex workers, and in particular LBGT sex workers. Her death also led to a hostel being set up in Istanbul for people in a similar situation. To the Turkish LGBT community, she is an important figure in their history and civil rights struggle.--John B123 (talk) 22:28, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - I can't speak to Turkish sources, but doing a Google News search I see CBC, Guardian and Vice News sources mentioning an ongoing impact. Rab V (talk) 19:35, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep based on the rational of John B123 and Rab V above. I would consider renaming and formatting the page to Death of Eylül Cansın.Thsmi002 (talk) 02:22, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The incident sparked protest in Ankara and Istabul - see http://www.kaosgl.org/page.php?id=18441 - here -1] and here-2shows the impact of the LGBT community in Turkey and culcuture in Turkey in general. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:10, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - her suicide was not merely news, but had a lasting impact. Bearian (talk) 18:40, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment/reply - Since the only coverage of Cansın is in the context of suicide, this article amounts to a WP:PSEUDObiography. The problems as I see it are
 * The reliable sources give hardly any information about Cansın as a person: just that Cansın was 22/23/24 years old, transgender, and had the birth name/alternate name Mehtap Zengin. In particular, there really are no reliable sources for Cansın's being employed as a sex worker. This research paper (the PDF version) does list someone with the same name as a 24-year-old sex worker; the author says, though, that some of the data was collected from people interviewed back in 2012 and some was extracted from LGBTI News in Turkey articles. I would assume the Cansın entry was one of the latter, and the LNT article doesn't mention sex work. (And the quote about choosing sex work is from a different person also named Eylul.)
 * The only sources of information about the events leading up to Cansın's death are the conflicting, non-BLP-compliant, primary source interviews/statements of Nurcan Zengin Bala (Cansın's mother) and Yankı Bayramoğlu (Cansın's roommate, a transgender beauty queen). (Did Cansın become a sex worker? If so, was it because of a lack of other opportunities, or coercion by a "trans gang"? Did Bayramoğlu beat, strip, and defraud Cansın of a large sum of money, or did Cansın remove her own clothes in a fit of agitation and remain friends with Bayramoğlu? Did the police turn a blind eye to the gang of transgender people allegedly menacing and beating Cansın? Bala said that she thought Cansın's death was foul play by the gang rather than a suicide. Michelle Demishevish, the activist/journalist who interviewed Bala and seems to be the only person doing significant reporting, later said that one of the transgender women whom Bala named was taken in for questioning.)
 * The coverage of the death itself is routine news items (with many reprints) which just say that Cansın committed suicide at the bridge, left a video note, and was buried in a particular cemetery, and that others attributed Cansın's death to transphobia.
 * In the aftermath of Cansın's death:
 * a coalition of LGBT groups protested and released a joint statement against heterosexism.
 * The LGBTI studies unit of the Turkish Psychologists Association released a statement about trans suicides.
 * a hostel was named in Cansın's memory.
 * The play "Eylul" is named after Cansın but contains unrelated characters and plotlines.
 * There are also quite a number of passing mentions of Cansın as an instance of a transgender person who died by suicide, mainly in non-RSThe sources for these all mention Cansın, of course, but don't say anything about her as a person.
 * I agree with Thsmi002 that a move to Death of Eylül Cansın might be better. I would prefer, though, to redirect/merge to LGBT rights in Turkey or LGBT history in Turkey, because there's very little that's BLP-compliant to say about Cansın's life or death; the bulk of the coverage which mentions Cansın is about the status of transgender people in Turkey following Cansın's death. Cheers, gnu 57 06:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


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