Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish


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The result was   delete. Per consensus on lack of reliable sources to support notability.  MBisanz  talk 00:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish

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Questionable notability. Page has been an outline for awhile and has not been worked on. Cptnono (talk) 02:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment There are certainly plenty of reliable sources, but all the ones I see currently point to WP:ONEEVENT, the death of his three daughters. Some accounts of his activism prior to the current fighting would probably be enough to establish notability via WP:GNG, but I don't see them yet. That the article has not been worked on for "awhile" (how long is "awhile"? The article is only 2 weeks old) is, of course, irrelevant. Rklear (talk) 07:06, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I started the page a few weeks ago and have had other stuff going on. Will add more sources to counter WP:ONEEVENT. Just give me a few hours. Cheers,  pedrito  -  talk  - 02.02.2009 10:07
 * Pedrito: Over a hundred hours have passed since your gave your basis for a "keep" and the article still has not moved beyond a WP:ONEEVENT. Thanks and cheers, -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 19:59, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:ONEEVENT, WP:NOT. Can anybody find a merge target? Ray (talk) 14:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Very unfortunate situation, but unfortunately doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability standard. This is the classic WP:BLP1E. Might also be problematic due to WP:NOT and WP:COATRACK.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 17:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:1E, recentism. He isn't really a peace activist and he is only known because of one controversial address to the Israeli nation. The sources given in the article also don't support the 'facts' in the lead. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - notable as he is an activist. Activists are notable. He does appear to be well known. LOTRrules   Talk   Contribs  21:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment If Rklear pedrito (I misread the discussion) or another editor can show that he is notable and advance the article past an outline it should be OK.Cptnono (talk) 01:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I notice the usual Israeli-Palestinian crowd has jumped on this AfD (User:RayAYang, User:Brewcrewer, User:Ynhockey). Could we get some genuinely un-involved opinions? Cheers and thanks,  pedrito  -  talk  - 03.02.2009 09:07
 * Pedrito, I would hardly characterize maybe 20 edits on articles arguably related to Israel-Palestine out of a personal total of over 2500 in the mainspace as making me part of the "Israeli-Palestinian" crowd. Say, rather, that I'm a regular math editor/wikignome/AfD hangout (over 600 AfD edits in the past 6 months, I believe) who has happened, in the course of reading Wikipedia, to edit a few articles that you consider your own domain. Ray (talk) 14:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ray: Pedrito's baseless comments unfortunately will not encourage your participation in I-P conflict articles. Ironically enough, Pedrito, is the only one here that has edited exclusively in the I-P conflict and he did not hesitate to !vote. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 20:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - I'll hold off a vote, as an editor says he needs more time, but I would suggest that this may not be the best time for this article. Wait until there has been more independent coverage. What work has he done as a peoce activist? Sephiroth storm (talk) 10:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per brewcrewer --DFS454 (talk) 21:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This article mentions that he was frequently on Israeli television "has been highly visible because of his willingness to speak with Israeli media from his home in the Gaza City neighborhood of Sajaiya". There should be sources about that and this would establish notability even without the dramatic event with his daughters. Article needs expanding, not deleting. --Crusio (talk) 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Crusio, Can you point to the specific place in the article where it says that "he was frequently on Israeli television"?-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 20:20, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I though that's what you meant. I didn't mean to be anal but the difference can be important. If he was "frequently on Israeli television" it would indicate that he's notable outside of this event. However, if he was just "highly visible" during the Israel-Gaza conflict he would still be considered a WP:BLP1E. Best,-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 22:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, he frequently did figure on Israeli TV (Channel 10), reporting by cell phone on the situation in Gaza. I'm not sure if you can call this "appearing" on TV as there was no live image, but he certainly "figured" on TV.... But I do wish somebody came up with a reference (on his reporting or on his medical activities - a Gazan MD treating Israeli patients cannot be an everyday occurrence) that does not mention the death of his daughters. --Crusio (talk) 23:12, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I took from the articles that he began appearing on TV only during the Gaza conflict. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:22, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about that. WHen I searched a few days ago, I got the impression that he was already known before the conflict, as a Gazan doctor treating Israeli patients and possibly also as a peace activist. The sources, however, were just blogs and therefore not WP:RS, so I did not keep the links. However, his reporting from Gaza during the conflict is sourced and started weeks before his daughters were killed. I think that a Gazan reporting live (albeit by cell phone) on Israeli TV during this conflict would be notable. --Crusio (talk) 12:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. 3 days later and still no movement on fixing one event problem. His other wrok is sourced, but all from articles about the death of his daughters.Yobmod (talk) 12:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Give the author or future authors time. If there had been media in Gaza and this interview had happened by chance, I probably would support WP:ONEEVENT. But there was no official media reporting from Gaza. Thus almost every station had to use other reporting channels. There could be e.g. a category of media contacts/reporting from Gaza war 2008/volunteer journalism from Gaza war/alternative War coverage Gaza 2008/citizen media war coverage/feel free to find a better category. All we know is Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish consented to report for the Israeli media. That his house was hit and he reported almost live on Israeli TV, shortly after some of his children had died, which makes the incident very special. It surely is not the typical WP:ONEEVENT. It could only be a WP:NOTif it was an article about his dead daughters. WP:COATRACK is simply bad taste. LeaNder (talk) 23:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grassfed (talk • contribs) 23:12, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * — Grassfed (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment"please don't speedy" was inserted into the edit description when the page was created on 01/22. Since then, editors have said they would add to it but nothing of true value has been done. If the doctor is notable, please fill in the information or recreate the page when more sources are found.Cptnono (talk) 11:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:ONEEVENT, WP:COATRACK, WP:NOT ukexpat (talk) 16:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


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