Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fūma shuriken


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:43, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Fūma shuriken

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Original prod was: "No significant coverage in third-party sources. Article composed of original research from primary and self-published sources, where only fans believe these items in different series are the same thing. Fails WP:N and WP:OR." Except for the "only fans believe" line, I agree with the proposal's rationale. —Farix (t &#124; c) 21:38, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.  -- —Farix (t &#124; c) 21:38, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:47, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete disclosing I nominated this article with the original prod. I've checked for sources. It's all self published stuff from Wikia and such. Otherwise you can verify that yes, tons of games have some kind of shuriken. Just as tons of games have some kind of gun, some kind of sword, some kind of hero wearing pants. But verifying each individual example of this is really just WP:Original Research and WP:Synthesis which isn't what Wikipedia is about. Wikipedia is for articles where you can WP:verify notability of a topic with third party sources, not articles that you assemble by noticing commonalities yourself. If you've been clever to observe a similarity that no reliable source has noticed, there are a ton of web hosts that will let you make a web page about it. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:20, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * There isn't a common name used. Perhaps a rename to giant shuriken.   D r e a m Focus  00:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi and some comments:


 * 1) The article underwent a MASSIVE deletion just before the nomination. Actually MOST of the article was deleted, including all the references (validating all of the more than a dozen examples posted and then pointing out to where get more info, that is besides googling stuff). Not that it matters much, just sayin'.
 * 2) The argument "only fans believe these items in different series are the same thing" is not true. While there are many English (mis)translations (like the kunai being often translated as "knife" or "throwing knives" and such), or having their own names. Fuma shuriken are actually known as (literally) "fuma/fuhma/fuuma (etc) shuriken" in various forms of entertainment even in the English versions. The whole argument is of a type like "raygun is not a raygun when it's called blaster/phaser/Pew Pew Lightning Stick of Doom and only fans believe these items in different series are the same thing" anyway) - fuma shuriken is an either literal, alternative or at least colloquial name for a fictional type of an oversized shuriken, that's all ("Giant shuriken" is not a name, it's description). Another Japanese writing is "ふうましゅりけん" which was not in the article and is about half as popular as '"風魔手裏剣" according to Google. I wish one would find out the origins of the name and who first used it.
 * 3) Actually I can say a big problem here is lack of critical reception section in the article (it's very possible the reception exists, but it's just not there) so yeah it lacks in notability. Also considering the subject doesn't have a Japanese Wikipedia article yet, I think the article might be simply merged with the general shuriken entry (a redirect) and/or the TV Tropes article. 212.91.5.20 (talk) 16:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge into shuriken if sourcing can be provided.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 19:37, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - No notability shown. I'd say merge, but there's no sourced info. Yaksar (let's chat) 06:09, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.