Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/F102 highway (Nigeria)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. GEOROAD is not a pass to ignore the overarching policy, which is that content must be verifiable. If we genuinely only one source and that only tells us the length then this not only fails the GNG but we can only source a single line in any article.

The SNG makes it clear that not all roads fall under it so a draft while sources are found would be much better than leaving OR up.

The Roads editors would really benefit from being prepared to move all these stubby articles into regional lists. It's going to take all the drama out and my experience over many years and very much recently is that if you force the community to choose between an SNG or the GNG/N then the SNG loses every time. Spartaz Humbug! 07:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

F102 highway (Nigeria)

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Contested PROD. Largely unsourced article that explains nothing about why this is important for a general purpose encyclopedia; only source is a list describing its existence. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:55, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per WP:GEOROAD “International road networks (such as the International E-road network), Interstate, national, state and provincial highways are typically notable.” This is a national highway so GEOROAD would apply here. Also more research can be done to find sources about this road, and sources in other countries can sometimes be hard to access and may not be online.  Dough   4872   14:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Would you accept a compromise and redirect to a list article until as and when other sources are found? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:10, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That is not acceptable here. This clearly passes WP:GEOROAD. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:58, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Specific analysis of available reference material (or the lack thereof) would be quite helpful. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:04, 5 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:43, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I know that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but if sports can have articles by the dozens about random players that are nothing but database entries, then why can't we have article on roads that are, well, nothing more than database entries?  Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 14:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation, Africa,  and Nigeria.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:48, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep—per WP:N, which says that meeting an SNG or the GNG means a topic warrants an article. In this case, the SNG os WP:GEOROAD, which this meets. Since it meets the applicable SNG, it passes the notability policy, full stop.  Imzadi 1979  →   03:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:NROAD states that federal highways are typically notable, not presumed to be notable. That's an important distinction, as this particular SNG does not proscribe notability to all federal highways, but rather indicates that federal highways are likely to meet WP:GNG. This doesn't seem to be the case here. Not only did I not find SIGCOV, I couldn't even verify the continued existence of this designation. A Google search within the Nigerian Federal Ministry of Transportation's website returned no results, and broader web searches using Google and DuckDuckGo also turned up empty save for a few mirrors. — SamX &#91;talk · contribs&#93; 04:19, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep: I plan on expanding this article further. This is an highway owned and maintained by the Federal Ministry of Works, the federal government of Nigeria and as such, clearly passes WP:GEOROAD. Therefore, this article should be kept and allowed to be expanded, it's not as if it's a very short article.Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:08, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment "It's not as if it's a very short article" is a classic argument to avoid (and conversely, "this article is short" is not a good reason to advocate deletion). Without sources, we can't determine anything in the article is factually correct (eg: "The F102 highway spans approximately 2183 kilometers" - that seems awfully precise for "approximately", "is a vital transportation route, facilitating trade, travel, and connectivity" - in whose opinion?) I can't in good conscience cite WP:GEOROAD as an argument when it appears to contradict the verifiability and deletion policies (cf: "Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed") However, if the article does get deleted and people want to work on it further, I'm happy to restore it to your userspace - as I would be for most articles deleted at AfD. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  08:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * to everything Ritchie said. — SamX &#91;talk · contribs&#93; 01:55, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a minor highway, hardly notable. Nowhere near as significant as the Pan-American Highway for example. Furthermore, the article is poorly sourced. Its first reference contains only one sentence about the F102 highway while its remaining two sources only talk about Nigerian roads in general and not this route specifically. A lack of good references suggests that the article contains original research, which is discouraged here per WP:OR. Something is not right (talk) 20:07, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * On that note, I have tagged two claims with where the information in the article is not present in the source. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:13, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment - lean towards draft - this is one of those occasions when every solution is wrong. If we delete, then we appear to be using a standard which wouldn't be acceptable for roads almost all European or NAmerican countries. If we keep, we are allowing a lot of content to remain on the page unverified. There are some indications that there may be more information offline - part of the road was apparently funded by the World Bank, it appears to be referred to in Nigerian Federal Law etc. Is it enough? I don't know. It doesn't even seem possible to establish how important this road is and how much traffic uses it - so I'm thinking we should probably draft until basic verification can be done. JMWt (talk) 08:48, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine with that outcome. — SamX &#91;talk · contribs&#93; 06:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: surely meet notability criteria and not sure why it was compared to Pan-American Highway and not Inverness Trunk Road Link!
 * FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:32, 20 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.