Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FBG Duck


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The result was delete. I don't see the keep rationales as persuasive. If he popularized the term "clout" and was such a prominent figure, surely there would be sources? &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 14:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

FBG Duck

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With only one uncharted EP, fails WP:BAND. Sources are mostly about his recent shooting, so WP:BLP1E is probably applicable too. Stephen 04:23, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Stephen 04:23, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep He definitely meets WP:BAND through rule 7. That is: "most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city". FBG Duck has over 100 Million views on YouTube, his most popular song with 53 Million views. He was one of the early pioneers and biggest rapper from the local Chicago drill music scene, a genre of music which has since gone global. His death was covered by almost every large news Network in the U.S., and around the world. As for WP:BLP1E, this only loosely applies here... as most sources cover his life, music and popularity in the Chicago scene. --Numkalcon (talk) 05:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * YouTube is not an RS, and especially not according to page views - David Gerard (talk) 07:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * He is not mentioned in the drill music article. Stephen 05:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This is presumably because he did not have a Wikipedia page. Most people listed in the article like Chief Keef come from the exact same crew/group. Drill music being mostly a genre of back-and-forth beef, FBG Duck was from the opposite crew as Chief Keef. He was arguably the biggest rapper from that side. For some reason he did not collaborate with larger artists, nor did he do much media appearances. But anyone familiar with the drill music scene knows that Duck is at least one of the top 10 if not top 5 biggest drill artists of all times, based on not only views (100s of Millions) but also notability. --Numkalcon (talk) 00:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Every source is seemingly about him being murdered. WP:BLP1E absolutely applies, and per above, I don't think that there is an exception for YouTube views. If even a few RS's had written him up before he died I might feel different, but dying, in of itself does not make one notable(with some exceptions of course, ala Jon Benet Ramsey or George Floyd, but I don't think there is much of an argument that FBG Duck meets that standard) Grung0r (talk) 08:14, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:BAND as he only produced one EP and the references provide no further coverage of his musical career prior to his death. Also fails WP:BLP1E as the reports of a shooting, even in reliable sources, do not establish notability of the victim. Views on Youtube are not relevant, and no further evidence has been presented that he was a high profile individual. Modest Genius talk 12:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BAND. Murdered rappers will generate clicks no matter how obscure they are, and FBG is no exception. No coverage until his death, never signed to a notable label, released only one non-charting EP in nine years, and high YouTube views are a dime a dozen nowadays. Poor attempt at establishing notability by name-dropping Barry Weiss and Sony Music in the intro. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  13:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. The subject does not meet WP:BAND through rule 7. Simply, the rule states he should be one of the most influential rappers - which he is not. As pointed out above, the references are basically WP:BLP1E; the subject really only received attention for being murdered. While unfortunate that his death was more notorious than his life, Wikipedia is not a memorial. Ifnord (talk) 16:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep It's a slim one but I'm going to create a rule as per WP:JimmyWales. Unless the addition of pages adds to a server overload (it doesn't) I see no reason to limit the sum of all human knowledge! Peace out Alexandre8 (talk) 16:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you were looking for WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Ifnord (talk) 19:32, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep He popularized the term “Clout” in Hip Hop and was one of the most prominent figures in the Chicago Drill scene. dreamofdealers (talk) 17:33, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Do you have a verifiable source confirming the "clout" statement? That sounds like a major stretch. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  05:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * He is not mentioned in the drill music article. Stephen 05:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * CommentHe should probably be put in the drill music article. For confirming the popularization of the Clout thing, I have my doubts (seems likely that it gained status because it rhymes with about and doubt, etc; 'out' is a rather unique Anglo-Saxon sound, without too many rhymes for it -- although rhyme.com lists 56 rhymes with out, most are unusable). Whether he's the unique vector of the word's current popularity I do not know, but he did claim to be. Babyinthebarn (talk) 12:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The subject is not an independent, reliable source for his own claims. Ifnord (talk) 19:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:Band FBG Duck is an extremely important figure to the Chicago gang and Drill Music worlds, as the most notable and visible member of the gang which wars with currently popular rappers Lil Durk, King Von, 600Breezy, etc. Many references from extremely popular songs, and large social-media happenings (Google "Smoking Tooka" or look up the Trap Geek video on King Von for some wider context), going all the way back to the 2010-2012 era, cannot be understood without reference to FBG Duck. Those who are submitting this article for deletion have a very good understanding and high level of engagement with Wikipedia editing, but in this world are newcomers, with little experience of Drill Music and street culture. Since Drill Music centers on gang feuds, the original ur-feud being between the BDs and GDs from these neighborhoods in Chicago, with FGB Duck as the one side's most highly visible proponent, and since this style and these events have gone on to inspire rappers from areas as diverse as East London and Dorchester, Massachusetts, I submit to you that if WP:Band is not broad enough to capture FBG Duck's significance, then it is WP:Band which should be altered. Babyinthebarn (talk) 12:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Alas, Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia of "drill music and street culture" and it doesn't matter if we're "newcomers" to the genre. In all honesty, if FBG was such a huge figure in drill music, we'd have heard of him long beforehand and he wouldn't have one mere EP release — which did nothing — to his name. He may have been a "pioneer" in a local type of music but barely a presence on the general hip hop radar.  sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  15:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:BLP1E. I'm not convinced by the keep arguments - we need to see evidence in reliable sources that he was influential in drill music, not just assertions.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. Unable to locate (except obituaries) any significant biographical details except this, which is a primary source interview.  No indication of awards or charted songs. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails WP:BLP1E and WP:MUSICBIO.  I am utterly unmoved by the keep proponents making WP:ILIKEIT and WP:ITSIMPORTANT arguments: if the subject was really such a key figure as all of that, there would be reliable sources saying so.  There are not; the obvious conclusion is that he wasn't.   Ravenswing      00:57, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


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