Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FBMA Trophy


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The result was no consensus. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:18, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

FBMA Trophy

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Unremarkable sporting event. Also this event is not a major figure skating event. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Which Wiki policy says that the event needs to be "remarkable" or "major"? I believe that it's sufficiently notable because it's included in the International Skating Union's calendar (http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pair-skating-and-ice-dance/calendar-of-events/2017/01/fbma-trophy Note that it's the only figure skating competition from the Arab world that made the list) and this year it has attracted more competitors in the ladies' event (including the Finnish, Austrian, and Slovenian senior champions, http://uaeisf.com/results/2017/CAT008RS.HTM). Hergilei (talk) 23:58, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: If you're looking for an applicable guideline, Hergilei, try WP:SPORTSEVENT. All the sources are primary, there's no evidence this event meets the GNG, and there's no Wiki policy (or guideline) that establishes presumptive notability for events on the ISU calendar, athletic events in the UAE, or ones that attracted more competitors than the year before.   Ravenswing   02:00, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * This is an event in the Arab world so independent sources are probably in Arabic. I can't read that language but perhaps others can. As for the guideline, it's talking about an individual game/series. It doesn't appear to address what to do with articles which summarize multiple years of results. Hergilei (talk) 14:26, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * And if you can produce multiple independent, reliable sources giving this event the "significant coverage" the GNG requires, that would save the article. However, deletion policy doesn't permit for speculation that such sources may exist; they must be demonstrated and produced, and it is the responsibility of an editor who wishes to save an article to do so.   Ravenswing   15:09, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I've added media coverage from five independent sources, including Yle (Finland's national broadcaster), The Straits Times, and The National (Abu Dhabi). Hergilei (talk) 16:46, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:01, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. North America1000 06:35, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep Per the newly discovered sources showing it meets WP:GNG, in which case WP:SPORTSEVENT is irrelevant. Smartyllama (talk) 19:33, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Errrm ... did you actually look at the sources? The first one cited (the National bit) isn't even an actual article; it's a picture gallery.  The second cite (from Yle) is a press release (that much is mentioned in the text) that only mentions the event in passing; it's about two Finnish skaters.  The third cite (Straits Times) is about a Singaporan skater, and the sum total of the subject's mention in it is "Ing obtained qualification after scoring 45.73 points at the 2017 FBMA Trophy, which is taking place in Abu Dhabi from Jan 5 to 7."  The fourth cite (the second Finnish source) is an expansion of the previous Finnish cite, once again about the two Finnish skaters, and is the sort of routine sports coverage explicitly debarred by WP:ROUTINE as contributing to the notability of a subject.  The fifth cite is the exact same link as the third, bizarrely enough.  The GNG requires that the subject receive "significant coverage" from multiple reliable sources, and fleeting mentions in sources that aren't about the subject at all don't qualify.  I can't imagine anyone who took the time to review those sources contending that they satisfy the GNG.  They don't.   Ravenswing   06:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:30, 23 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Another source was added,

Hergilei (talk) 20:36, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * http://www.thenational.ae/sport/other/emmi-peltonen-excels-at-abu-dhabi-ice-rink-ahead-of-european-championship
 * And it's just another namedrop where the (brief) article is about another subject entirely, and this event is mentioned in passing. There's no question that this event exists, Hergilei, but to establish notability, sources must provide "significant coverage" of the subject.  Please review WP:GNG.   Ravenswing   01:40, 26 January 2017 (UTC)


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