Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FC Steaua București in Europe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Since the last delete !vote the article has been improved out of all recognition. The valid concerns of the nominator and deleters have now been met with the addition of commentary and sources leaving a clear 'keep' consensus. NAC. Bridgeplayer (talk) 18:46, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

FC Steaua București in Europe

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Duplicate informations from here: FC Steaua Bucureşti statistics Jjmihai (talk) 17:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 17:29, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 17:30, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep, but remove the statistics from FC Steaua Bucureşti statistics and provide a link to FC Steaua București in Europe. I'd say that the larger page is too large to read comfortably. According to WP:SIZEGUIDE, 100KB is the point where an article should "almost certainly" be split, and this one is at 93KB. The separate article is useful, but the duplicate material should be removed from the main article.--Slon02 (talk) 19:38, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 20:07, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - unreferenced and a stats overload. Not needed. GiantSnowman 20:10, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, A lot of clubs have these articles needs improved and sourced not deleting. The parent page is too large and does need split so i believe this article is necessary to do that. Warburton1368 (talk) 20:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Useful page, similar to several others, but remove the duplicate information from FC Steaua Bucureşti statistics. --Carioca (talk) 20:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete; a violation of WP:NOTSTATS, as it's an excessive series of statistics and that's all it will ever be. Plus it's unreferenced and borderline violation of WP:NOR. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 05:03, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, Jmorrison230582 turned this statistical mess into a decent article. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 15:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I disagree with the comment above "that's all it [WP:NOTSTATS] will ever be". It's quite easy to add substantial prose to an article about this, say describing some of Steaua's more notable games in European competition. That's like saying any team season article is a violation of NOTSTATS. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 07:25, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * But for the fact that no one will actually do it, because it requires some proper research, some decent writing, some care, and all of that for the sake of duplicated content... at best. Dahn (talk) 15:16, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. This article is necessary because all clubs have a special page devoted to European competitions. It should be noted that FC Steaua Bucureşti in Europe article refers only to European competitions (all time statistics, opponents and competitions), while FC Steaua Bucureşti statistics article refers to statistical data in all competitions, player statistics, club presidents, number of goals, etc.. Mortifervm (talk) 00:59, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep – Per Wikipedia is not a directory, the article's inclusion on Wikipedia is appropriate, as the article has an organized focus and is not, per Wikipedia directory guidelines, like "Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics". The article completely passes all eight points of WP:NOTDIRECTORY guidelines. Northamerica1000 (talk) 13:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are looking at the wrong guideline. See WP:NOTSTATS. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 15:16, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is not one sentence in the whole article, which is merely a list of sports statistics. Fails WP:NOTSTATS.- Andrei (talk) 14:02, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete As Andrei notes, this looks like machine script more than anything, and it merely brings together stats that are more intelligently sorted elsewhere (though so many are actually irrelevant anywhere). Dahn (talk) 15:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This page is very useful.All clubs have a page with european competitions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.118.188.92 (talk) 00:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Will those voting on the basis of WP:NOTSTATS please consider the article in the state it is now? Jmorrison230582 (talk) 13:00, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks neat. Great job! Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 15:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.