Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FK Birobidzhan


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The result was keep. Sources presented here indicate that there is level of significant coverage in Russian-language sources on this club that goes beyond routine match reporting. The inbedwithmaradona source in the article indicates that the club has received a degree of significant coverage in international media too, despite their lowly status. Not the most notable club by any stretch of the imagination, but GNG seems to be met from the four sources presented. Fenix down (talk) 14:51, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

FK Birobidzhan

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Contested PROD. Concern was No indication this club meets WP:GNG or WP:FOOTYN. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:32, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:33, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 08:08, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - has came third in Russian Amateur Football League, (2007).Das osmnezz (talk) 08:42, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The article itself makes no such claim. As you wrote the article, you should reference this fact to an appropriate source before you can use it as a Keep argument. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  16:49, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It is well referenced in the Russian version of the article ru:Биробиджан (футбольный клуб), also finished second in 1987. Nfitz (talk) 18:31, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - plays in the Russian Amateur Football League which is the 4th level of football in Russia. The top 3 levels are all fully-professional. This is the the top level of non-fully-professional football in Russia. Teams at this level are eligble to play in the Russian Cup (football). Given we allow English teams down to the 6th level of non-fully-professional play (the 10th tier), then it would be WP:BIAS not to allow teams for the top level of non-fully-professional play! This is the type of article we should encourage in the English Wikipedia. For a good example of what this article could be, see the one in the Russian Wikipedia - ru:Биробиджан (футбольный клуб). Plenty of media coverage, may well meet WP:GNG. Nfitz (talk) 18:31, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I completely agree about bias. But it's useless to assert notability here in an AfD discussion, or to point to another Wikipedia. THIS article itself needs to self-evidently describe a notable team and at present it makes no such assertion. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  10:17, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The article needs work, no doubt about that. But that isn't grounds for deletion. Nfitz (talk) 16:36, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete: With a heavy heart, I am inclined to give a delete !vote here. I totally agree with the points of English-based bias and of this was a 4th tier English team they would have their own article. However, I feel this is more of a bias that is fundamental to sources, rather than to Wikipedia in this case. The English team would have sources, whereas I can find no such sources anywhere online. As Wikipedia is founded on notability and no original research, I must give a delete vote here. TheMagikCow (talk) 18:47, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No sources anywhere online? What about what I listed above - I'm seeing recent news articles. If I select all, I get 985 results. Not all prove notability, but I'm not sure why you are not getting any results. Nfitz (talk) 19:11, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Ahh, I was searching in English only. Can you find anything to establish notability in Russian? TheMagikCow (talk) 16:02, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This article has a good history of football in the area, and of the team, and I think meets WP:GNG. This one is referenced in the article, and though a bit short, gives a brief history; as does this one referenced in the Russian wikipedia article for the team. Nfitz (talk) 17:07, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 20:57, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep -- sources presented by are sufficient to meet the (low) bar of notability for soccer clubs. Would not be deleted if it were a club in an English speaking country. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


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