Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FOB Productions


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Speedy Delete., non-notable bio for production company with no reliable sources Madchester 01:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

FOB Productions
"Production company" for some teenagers who made a film. There might be a claim of notability in the article since it says their film was well-received in many places, but it's hard to check since the film's name isn't mentioned in the article and looks to be a hoax. Googling "FOB productions"+desi gets 628 results, most of them from word lists and none seem to be relevant to this. - Bobet 01:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Ananth again: try emailing the fobproductions, as i said before. Ask them to send u files for proof. in fact, i will try to email fobproductions@gmail.com ok ok this is getting nasty for no reason. really. nothing in the article is false information. every company starts out small. want to ruin a dream? really, i mean, if nothing is false information, and none if it hurts anyone, why destroy a dream for no reason? --S.
 * Actualy, if you bothered to read, you'd realize that is gives the movie name as Sarhad Ke Par Dosti. Maybe not a big movie like King Kong. But teenagers doing charitable work on a movie scale seems very noteworthy? or is it just me? ---Raj — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.25.54 (talk • contribs) 2006-01-13 01:56:52 UTC
 * Hey, just because you don't know the movie doesn't mean the article needs to be deleted. I mean, the point of Wikipedia is to help others learn about new things, right? This article can inspire creativity in schools, and i know this free ENCYCLOPEDIA doesn't want to preclude education? Yeah. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.95.1 (talk • contribs) 2006-01-13 02:00:32 UTC
 * This encyclopaedia also doesn't want to include things that are simply made up from whole cloth. This is why we insist upon verifiability. Uncle G 03:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: sorry about that, it must've been lost between the two pictures. 0 google hits for "Sarhad Ke Par Dosti". - Bobet 02:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sarhad Ke Par Dosti is not a hoax-i saw the movie on google video and was pleased by the quality of the film. These people have obviously put hard work into making this movie.  I would recommend anyone doubting the validity of this article and the production "company" to email fobproductions@gmail.com (as seen on the bottom of the page) to assuage your doubts.  Maybe they can help you. --Ananth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ananthram90ib (talk • contribs) 2006-01-13 02:09:15 UTC
 * Google Video reports 0 matches for "Sarhad Ke Par Dosti". Uncle G 02:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * FOB productions is an integral part of the desi population here in Dallas. Taking away this article will incur the wrath of the fobs and presumably start conflict. Keep the article. ---PESH student — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.49.14 (talk • contribs) 2006-01-13 02:09:24 UTC
 * For why arguments like that don't work, witness the fate of the article discussed at Articles for deletion/NUGGET. If you want to make a case that will be successful, cite sources.  Continue with arguments like the above, and you won't make a case.  Uncle G 03:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Raj again, sorry for the somewhat uncivilized comment. Obviously the movie isn't a hoax. There are images, a poster and everything for the movie. I e-mailed FOB Productions and told them about this. They said that their movie was only reaseled through Desi people through hiearchal diffusion. They never had a website or a page for Sarhad Ke Par Dosti, as they did simple chartiable work and didn't bother with webpages. Just cause google does not index something does not mean its a fake. If people are going to base reality on what Google says, then i think that there might me a little bit of a problem with that. I am pretty sure if u type in "The Sky is always Hot Pink" im sure you'll get some hits...and as the wikipedia article said, there was a technical dificulty and the video was accidently removed from Google Video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.25.54 (talk • contribs) 2006-01-13 02:26:05 UTC
 * Obviously the movie isn't a hoax. &mdash; That's not obvious at all. There have been far better presented things than this that have been hoaxes. Uncle G 03:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * FOB Productions is a valid production company with a release to its name. As seen in the article, Sarhad Ke Par Dosti is its debut release. FOB plans to release another movie May 2006 for similar purposes. - KM, Plano Resident — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.64.147.122 (talk • contribs) 2006-01-13 02:46:05 UTC
 * You have not cited sources to back up any of that. Uncle G 03:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I am appalled at the fact that anyone would desire to remove this article. This movie's quality is superior and the content represents the Desi population of Dallas, and the removal of this symbol of the hope and achievements of the Desi pop. will definitely not please them. Personally, many of us down here at Texas Instruments would be disappointed ---FOB PRIDE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.125.205 (talk • contribs) 2006-01-13 02:47:05 UTC
 * Ok guys, just for the record.. FOB productions is not a hoax at all. This article should not at all be deleted.  I have seen the movie.. and more importantly, i loved it.  It may have been a slightly low budget film, but for a group of teenagers, it was fantastic-- definitely represented us desis well: Especially the references to other hindi movies.  I hope FOB productions continues to make more films because I, for one, would enjoy to see them.   -- Rojaneer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.178.189 (talk • contribs) 2006-01-13 02:52:05 UTC
 * Personal testimony of anonymous editors is not enough for Wikipedia. You must cite sources. Uncle G 03:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The article tells us that a group of schoolchildren banded together and made a movie, but that the movie isn't available. The article cites no sources.  Bobet has looked for sources, and hasn't found any.  I've looked for sources and not found any, also.  This article is unverifiable.  Articles that readers cannot verify do not belong in Wikipedia.  Delete. Uncle G 03:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Raj again: There is always their e-mail source. If their own e-mails are not proof. Then there is no proof. Does culture chartity organizations that don't have google webpages have to not have articles on wikipedia?. The Desi population is dissapointed. I vote Keep article just like most of the other Desi (i think?) commenters here. the rest is up to wikipedia. The nuggets page thing is completly irrelevant. This page is obviously, as seen by it, not just random links to other pages. It has its own content. And to make up all that stuff seems very unlikely. If this article is deleted, what you would have done was destroy, as someone else said of FOB Productions "symbol of the hope and achievements of the Desi pop". Tell me, Does it harm you in any way is Desi's find pride by having this page up? With it up, many desi people are happy, but your tearing it down, disheartens them. i don't see what the problem is to leave it up if it helps a cultural community? social welfare is a very good thing...just to let you know... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.25.54 (talk • contribs) 2006-01-13 03:14 UTC
 * Delete, repeated requests for documentation have not been forthcoming. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Do yall just want a website link? Is that your documentation?
 * Delete. Lots of talk, but no references to back it up. Wikipedia is neither a vehicle for self-promotion/advertising nor is it a free webspace provider. --Madchester 03:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * This is far from nasty. It is the Wikipedia community informing you about the sources and references that a Wikipedia article needs to have. HollyAm 03:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * well, if you want your sources, try emailing Fob productions --ananth
 * For trailers or anything e-mail them. As they are just a culture/charity company I'm pretty sure they won't care showing you how they try to promote their culture.and this is not a promotional site, its to show to others what a group of teens can do. Also, through this, they created an organization called Pragati which collected 600 lbs of clothes to give to poor people in India. As the article says, there is no personal gain here. Can people read? --Raj
 * Email is not a reliable source, per Wikipedia's set guidelines. Anyone can create an account on a free email provider and distribute material as they please, under that name. --Madchester 03:37, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

just because it is non-notable or is not famous does not mean that it isnt the truth. let them keep the article. unless you wikipedians enjoy crushing minorities' dreams. i agree with what raj has said... It was a pretty good movie, but cheesy special effects
 * well, if you want proof that FOB productions exists, why not email them? you will receive proof in the form of the movie that they made.
 * Raj: So be it. But tell me, do you something against giving an article to teenagers who are trying to help their community? Why would anyone lie about a group trying to give stuff to the community? its not lyk they're trying to claim that they're movie beats Lord of the Rings. Very well. If you "true" wikipedians feel that it hurts you all to host this article then i guess itll have to be deleted. obviously true wikipedians just like to delete things. I guess a chance for some teenagers trying to help their community has been crushed by people that say they are trying to help the world with wikipedia. So be it. This is life. Unfair, cruel, brutish.
 * Delete as non-notable. &mdash;Quarl (talk) 2006-01-13 04:13Z 
 * Delete. As per the Verifiability guidelines, "Verifiability, not truth". We have a complete lack of third party sources, which means the only people who can tell us the 'truth' are the subjects of the article, and that is a bad thing. The movie's name doesn't respond in Google. The producers, FOB Productions, score a grand total of 7 unique Google responses, which include a model hiring service, advertising for the model service, the Yahoo Group for the model service, the releaser of a hip-hop album titled "FOB", a newsletter of some description, and someone that wants me to install a virused toolbar. If you could provide one relevant website (not created by this production company), or even one article in a newspaper about the film or the company that we can track down and confirm, I'm sure your case would be a lot stronger. Yelling at us and thrusting an email address at us is not going to help you, and will probably hurt. -- Saberwyn - The Zoids  Expansion Project 04:28, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep The purpose of any encyclopedia is to document the truth. lack of verification on the internet is not valid lack of verification, for there exists a world outside of the internet. there is no possible way to cite FOB productions (barring email, which is deemed invalid by many of you) on the internet; it exists in tangible form, it just doesnt happen to be on the internet, seeing as how its not a syndicated movie (how would it get on the internet?), and done on an extremely small scale. nevertheless, it exists. anonymous testimony (it is not as though personal information will increase verifiability) is all that exists on the internet, but there is no other kind of testimony of verification that can possibly be transferred to a web site. Furthermore, there is no reason, evidence, or suspicion to doubt its existence. this is not a "guilty until proven innocent" trial. -Korok
 * Which is why I suggested a newspaper article, if one has been written on the movie or the company, be brought to our attention. Newspapers aren't online, but it isn;t too difficult for someone to contact the paper publisher and ask "Did your newspaper print an article on FOB Productions on the *insert date here*?". They look through their records, they say yes we did or no we didn't... and bingo. Verifiability! -- Saberwyn - The Zoids  Expansion Project 05:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I must agree, that Korok person has a fair point. and those FOB productions sites on google are not the same and as far as anyone can tell, this is a different type of FOB productions. this is a chartiy thing, not a model site or something..and if more screenshots from the movie, or if posting the trailer up will help everyone believe the credibility of FOB Productions then i will get the trailers and put them up. Maybe ill do that right now. --Raj
 * Delete is as Uncle G says, plus the claims are notability are not backed up. WhiteNight T 06:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Persistent testimonials on AfD tend to attract deletion votes.  I wish you well with your project.  Enter it in some film festivals, get a newspaper to write about it, and resubmit the article when the project can be verified. Durova 06:58, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Who ever you are Durova, even though you are against this CHARITY (so why would they enter in a film festival?) you have been the most constructive with your comments. While other's call this culture charity a hoax, you have said something useful. Ill e-mail your idea to them...but im not sure they're going for publicity. Who ever put up the article just liked what they did. --Raj
 * Nonprofit organizations are welcome to submit their productions for awards. It could bring attention to their cause, possibly distribution or broadcast or news reports or donations.  I'm not against the charity.  I like charities and vote for them when I can.  Wikipedia has rules. Durova 08:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete until they are more famous. -- Kjkolb 13:37, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as unverifiable. -- JamJar 16:24, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Failure to provide a third-party source of verification means it gets my delete vote as a vanity. It may be a charitable vanity, but it's vanity nonetheless. In addition I add a plea that the ones striving to get this article kept stop assuming that everyone who votes against it are anti-charity in some way, or out to get you, or whatever paranoia is involved. As for the arguments that deleting the article will somehow "destroy a dream" and "the removal of this symbol of the hope and achievements of the Desi pop will definately not please them", how much of a dream can it be if it's destroyed simply because Wikipedia guidelines don't allow the article? How much of a symbol of hope is it if you start screaming it's some sort of discrimination or conspiracy not to have it here? As harsh as it may be to sum up the 'keep' arguements this way, perhaps Shakespeare put it best with "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Nezu Chiza 19:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Zoe and others --kingboyk 21:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolute, Obvious, Strong Delete. A group of kids made a movie and posted it on Google Video.  Then they decided their production company, an acronym for an ethnic slur, would be cute to put into Wikipedia.  This is absolutely non-notable. JDoorjam 23:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. The movie is not even available on Google video as the article claims. It's just a home movie made by non-notable people. Crunch 00:49, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.