Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FPX (company)


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The result was DELETE. postdlf (talk) 03:29, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

FPX (company)
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Nominated for deletion as (1) tagged for improved references since 2008 and none supplied. (2) Largely the product of a single editor who has not edited any other article. (3) Appears to be solely a promotional piece. (4) Doesn't meet notability criteria WP:ORG as there is only trivial or incidental coverage of the company by secondary sources. Wee Curry Monster talk 12:17, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Yet another software and service company.  No indication that this business or its products, whatever they are, have had significant effects on technology, history, or culture of the kind that make for long term historical notability. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 15:17, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as per submitter arguments above. -- Arekusandaa (talk) 11:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep The company's founder was named one of the "The 10 Most Influential People in CRM" and there is a reference to an article supporting that. The company was founded in 1983 - no other configure-price-quote company existed before that time. The article is a story of how two men created a software company, with little investment, that has since grown to have users around the world. It is also a story about how a software company needs to change as technology changes in order to grow.Zappy01 (talk) 12:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note for the admin who closes the AFD. Zappy01's sole work on the project is this article see . And I note from his talk page, this article was nominated for CSD when it was created.  Wee Curry Monster talk 16:13, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong keep Sure, the article as it exists reads as a PR piece, but that doesn't detract from the notability of the subject. A quick read of related Google links shows the company more or less invented the CPQ space. From what I read, they recently underwent a name change and notability based on outside sources should also include coverage under the names Firepond and Clear With Computers (CWC), for which I'm turning up LOTS of hits in a very cursory Google search. Is #2 in the original nom even a valid argument? I don't think so; a dearth of qualified editors hardly means a subject is non-notable. #1 is dubious as well -- there are 8 references and the article is a stub, meaning more work is needed; we can't delete every stub just because it needs improvement -- that's what the stub tag is for! It needs cleanup and expansion for sure, but deletion would be wholly inappropriate.  B.Rossow ·  talk  13:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Article is largely unreferenced and I note you removed the tag that has been there since 2008. Please don't remove the tag until that problem is addressed.  Articles reads as a PR piece is definitely a reason to delete.  Remove the PR material and there would be no article. #2 is very relevant as it appears wikipedia is being used for promotional purposes, which is not allowed.  Wee Curry Monster talk 16:18, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Except for the History section, which does indeed read like a PR piece and needs to be trimmed considerably, the article is well-referenced. Tag that section if you like, but the article overall has adequate citations in the areas that matter, particularly as a stub. You clearly have a bone to pick with this article, but please try to be objective.  B.Rossow ·  talk  17:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, just now I actually took the time to check the few references provided for the History section and the vast majority of the info included there is drawn from the cited references. Perhaps every sentence doesn't have a footnote, but the information is found in the referenced material. Perhaps you'd like better (if redundant) footnotes, but the references are there if you actually take the time to read.  B.Rossow ·  talk  17:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No I clearly don't have any issues or a bone to pick and resorting to personal attacks like the above is not going to persuade me this article has merit in it worth saving; quite the opposite. Wikipedia is not free webspace for advertising a company. Wee Curry Monster talk 21:19, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That wasn't a personal attack but a simple observation. If you would take the time to compare the article side by side with its references in two separate windows, as I did, you'd see that the citations cover the vast majority of the text in the article that you claim is unreferenced. I utterly fail to understand why you don't get that. On a more final note, I'm not at all interested in convincing you as your mind is clearly made up; I post this solely for the benefit of others who may be interested in taking more time to critically evalueate what's there rather than taking your [incorrect] word for it that it's "largely referenced."  B.Rossow ·  talk  16:32, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * As a follow-up, I will now note that I have done significant editing to the page to remove PR-sounding language and to add additional third-party references located via simple Google searches (which in itself should demonstrate the notability of the subject, if I can find numerous third-party articles referencing FPX in a matter of minutes).  B.Rossow ·  talk  17:48, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * And it still doesn't meet notability per WP:ORG. You know the continued personal attacks are quite likely to have the contrary effect to what you're trying to achieve. If you wish to provide a convincing argument to retain this article, that is best achieved by referring to policy rather than launching personal attacks against the nominating editor or by edit warring to remove tags that indicate improvement is required.  Both behaviours are counter productive to your end goal.  Wee Curry Monster talk 20:59, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Some of the refs are company press releases or corporate websites, and others don't seem to say what is claimed (eg "best known" claim in the lede is not backed up by the salesforce.com entry given) so referencing doesn't seem to be up to scratch. GraemeLeggett (talk) 22:15, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not establish notability in that is doesn't sound particularly notable to begin with and the sources used do not rise to the level of demonstrating notability per Wikipedia's standards. Repeated press releases, trade magazine puff pieces/paid ads and so forth are trivial coverage, regardless of how short or long they are. Considering how many links are given with none of them being names of note it suggests that there are no good sources available and the person who put it together knew that was the best he or she had to work with. DreamGuy (talk) 02:30, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Per nom, per all the "deletes" above. Fails WP:ORG, cites don't establish notability. –  OhioStandard  (talk) 07:33, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Notability and advertising issues. Out of the references currently in the article, most appear to be about the CEO himself, and others are either primary sources (directory listings, PR, etc) and a couple awards- this article does not establish lasting notability. OSbornarfcontribs. 04:47, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
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