Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Factory Butte (Emery County, Utah)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of mountains in Utah. or a subsection as determined editorially. This preserves attribution Star   Mississippi  02:06, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Factory Butte (Emery County, Utah)

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No evidence of significant coverage to establish notability. –dlthewave ☎ 04:35, 19 August 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:31, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Utah. –dlthewave ☎ 04:35, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of mountains in Utah, after I fully merged content to there. [Was "Keep" before, but note "Redirect" is consistent with what I stated at first. --Doncram (talk) 20:10, 12 September 2022 (UTC)] Note this is a mountain in Utah, and there exists List of mountains in Utah, which could but does not mention this one. At worst this could be merged to a new row about this mountain in that list article, using "id=Factory Butte" to set an anchor on the row, for the redirect to target.  But this is just sniping around the edges of a bigger problem, that List of mountains in Utah is very inadequate.  Although the sourced info in this article is short, and could easily be merged into a normal row with a description/notes column of a normal table, there is no similar info in the list-article.  I would really hope that the editor, if interested in mountains in Utah, would just spend time developing there, and a merger of this and perhaps other short mountain articles into a good list could be done, editorially (possibly with wp:MERGE requests, if a given merger seemed controversial).  If the editor is not interested in mountains of Utah, leave this for future editors to handle.  This AFD not helping toward developing wikipedia.  Maybe this is unfair to bring up, but isn't wp:NOTHERE an essay or guideline that might be relevant. --Doncram (talk) 22:42, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Umm, WP:NOTHERE does not apply in any way, and you should know that. Nominating articles for deletion is a normal part of Wikipedia editing. Maybe you meant WP:DINC? Which is also not really applicable as the nominator is essentially claiming that the topic is not notable enough to be cleaned up. If you want to refute that, the best way to do so is to improve the article yourself or provide sources that suggest the topic is notable. –– FormalDude   talk   00:57, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, i knew NOTHERE probably didn't exactly apply; DINC is more apt. I have a lot of followup on my plate already, relating to other AFDs, e.g. Draft:Preserved locomotives in the United States, in the works related to AFD on "List of locomotives".  And about mountains, I have contributed to list-articles of them in the past, and if i recall correctly it wasn't incredibly interesting to me, personally, while it also oddly involved continuing editing controversy.  Not my cup of tea right now. --Doncram (talk) 20:41, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks FormalDude, your point taken that my doing a bunch of editing would help (though again wp:DINC (AFD is not for cleanup). I was/am not arguing that this Factory Butte needs to have a separate article, so its Wikipedia notability for that purpose doesn't exactly matter.  Merger or redirection was needed, IMO, and I have now gone on to develop a lot at List of mountains in Utah to facilitate "Redirect" decision (because all material has now been merged).  Without my having done that, however, it would have been reasonable for this AFD to be closed "Merge" with instructions given in merger tags about how that should be implemented. --Doncram (talk) 21:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: People trying to find sources accidentally searched for the wrong butte. Try again? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 06:18, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep It is a place that exists, with a USGS map, and some newspaper coverage. Off-roaders are revved up to see southern Utah’s Factory Butte reopened to motorized use. But environmentalists are gearing up for a fight. Environmental groups sue BLM over opening southern Utah area to off-road vehicles.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 10:12, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I for one am not able to discern whether those newspaper sources are referring to this topic (in Emery County), or to Factory Butte (Wayne County, Utah). –– FormalDude   talk   03:18, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The off-roading articles mention a location near Hanksville, Utah so they're definitely talking about the one in Wayne County. –dlthewave ☎ 03:53, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep it is a notable monolith. I added a few sources in the description section. Lightburst (talk) 02:11, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Anyone up for a Merge/Redirect to Factory Butte (Wayne County, Utah)? It's already mentioned on that article. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:08, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak delete name seems familiar from the Oregon Trail games, but I'm not finding much of anything for sources, but mountains and references for these aren't in my wheelhouse of knowledge. Oaktree b (talk) 18:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Can't find anything. It seems that Factory Butte in Wayne County is only about 20 miles away as the crow flies which makes searching difficult. I found a 400-page on the history of Emery County and it mentioned several buttes, but not this one so it appears to be just a WP:MILL land feature. Would not object to redirecting to a list articles, but List of mountains in Utah does not include a sub-list for this county. MB 20:50, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noting that. The fact of confusion between the two nearby same-named places is strong argument for Wikipedia to continue to provide clarity on that point (either in the two articles about the two places, or in a list-article section plus the other article). --Doncram (talk) 20:21, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete The other Factory Butte is notable. There is not RS for this one. Lightburst (talk) 16:00, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to List of mountains in Utah: Doesn't pass WP:NGEO as no information beyond statistics and coordinates has been found. –– FormalDude  (talk)  16:06, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This and several other "Delete" votes do not speak to the obvious alternative to deletion proposed in discussion above. Alternatives to deletion must be considered and votes ignoring that, after it was reasonably proposed in this AFD, should be ignored, IMHO.  And this should not have been brought to AFD at all, IMHO. --Doncram (talk) 20:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with a redirect, adjusted my !vote to reflect that. –– FormalDude  (talk)  20:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment: Hey, it was mentioned that the List of mountains in Utah, which might serve as a merge/redirect target, does not cover peaks in Emery County, but that is no longer true.  It has a nice section which mentions Factory Butte.  Hey, I would really hope that the editors involved in this AFD, if interested in mountains in Utah, would just spend time developing there.  If they're not interested, please just go away and leave development in this area of Wikipedia to those that are.  (I !voted Keep above.) --Doncram (talk) 16:30, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Material on Factory Butte (Emery County) has now been fully merged into List of mountains in Utah and an anchor to its location has been set. IMHO based on the quality of discussion so far, this AFD can only be closed "Redirect" (to target List of mountains in Utah).  The list-article has now been updated considerably (with help by User:Deor, thanks!), including to show, in linked OSM map, the locations of numerous ones especially in Emery, Utah, and Salt Lake counties.  (In this edit, I changed my !vote to Redirect, above.)  --Doncram (talk) 20:10, 12 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.