Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faculdades Integradas Hélio Alonso


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica1000 06:53, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Faculdades Integradas Hélio Alonso

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I tried to have this deleted via CSD and then PROD, but both were contested by two different editors on the basis that schools and universities are in general considered notable. Well, this is not what I understand from WP:ORG and, more precisely, WP:NSCHOOL - for me, they basically state that any educational institution must adhere to our general notability guidelines - and this sentence, I mean, this article is far from it. Victão Lopes Fala! 00:49, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:09, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:10, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


 *  Provisional Keep. Is it a degree-granting institution? It appears to be, but my Portuguese isn't good enough to confirm this. If it is then it should be kept per longstanding consensus and precedent. See WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. As to the length of the article, we don't delete articles just because they're stubs. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:57, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yes, it is degree-granting, but... now I'm confused. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is an essay, and the very first section clearly states that that page "is not a policy or guideline, and previous outcomes do not bind future ones because consensus can change.". It also recommends pages like the aforementioned WP:SCHOOLS as the actual notability guidelines, besides highlighting that "notability always requires verifiable evidence, and all articles on all subjects are kept or deleted on the basis of sources showing their notability. [...] All articles should be evaluated individually on their merits and their ability to conform to standard content policies.[...]". Why should WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES take precedence over WP:SCHOOL and WP:ORG? Victão Lopes  Fala! 14:57, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * What SCHOOLOUTCOMES does is not set policy but record precedent and consensus. It has been established over many afds that all degree-granting institutions are kept. Remember that Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. We determine what is notable through discussion and we have had this discussion many, many times and determined a consensus on notability standards for educational institutions, as recorded in SCHOOLOUTCOMES. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:27, 22 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar ♔   01:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I've seen some lengthy and relatively recent discussions on this "WP:SCHOOLOUTCOME vs. WP:NSCHOOL" matter, and there is no apparent consensus about it. I'll have to keep reluctant about accepting common outcomes as a sole reason for "keep". Anyway, nobody else's made a comment here yet, so I guess it'll be simply closed as no consensus. Victão Lopes  Fala! 02:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - High schools are deemed notable per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES - (Just a friendly note - I wouldn't debate the whole SCHOOLCOME thing as you won't get very far, High schools are deemed notable for reasons I've completely forget.) – Davey 2010  •  (talk)  03:32, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a 43 year old degree-awarding institution with 3600 students covered by reliable, independent sources such as this. Our well established consensus is described at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. The solution to a poorly referenced stub article about a notable topic is to expand the article and add sources, instead of deleting the article. Portuguese language sources are perfectly acceptable for a Brazilian topic. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * KeepI don;t see any divided consensus here, besides a single challenge--and I think even that challenge was based on not realizing that this is in fact a major educational institution. All seriously divided afd debates have been over really marginal institutions, and the only deletions have been where real existence cannot be proved, or at least real existence as a school, rather than some sort of tutoring academy of homeschooling arrangement. Policy is made by what we do, and guidelines state what we usually do.  The actual policy is demonstrated by the fact  that we have kept all such genuine  institutions since at least 2009/2010. Hundreds of absolutely consistent decisions over many years establishes an consensus more firm than most so-called  guidelines, few of which show such consistency.  DGG ( talk ) 08:31, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
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