Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faculty of Agriculture, University of Osijek


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The result was   no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 00:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Faculty of Agriculture, University of Osijek

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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  Cliff  Smith 17:08, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
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Non-notable academic unit. No independent refs. No claim of notability PROD removed by creator without comment, concern was "Non-notable academic grouping. No independent refs. Reasonably recent foundation. No claim to notability. No interwiki link." Not your siblings&#39; deletionist (talk) 09:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. - Faculty of Agriculture of the University of Osijek maybe is not notable faculty in Europe, but it is notable in Croatia. For you it is not notable, because you do not live in Croatia. It is only Faculty of Agriculture in Croatia outside of Zagreb, where exist Faculty of Agronomy. That is reason I removed template about proposed deletion of article. Independent references are unnecessarily, because those references, which are from official website of Faculty, only show history of Faculty and departments of Faculty, as it is, for example, in articles Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences, University of Zagreb or Academy of Dramatic Art, University of Zagreb, where are listed references only from offical website of some faculty, as it is in article Faculty of Agriculture, University of Osijek. For the time being, there is no interwiki links because I first wanted to write article about Faculty on English Wikipedia, then in other Wikipedias, for example Croatian Wikipedia etc. -- Ivan  OS  11:25, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
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 * Comment: Can you perhaps provide more sources? Ones not related to the faculty itself? They don't have to be in English... -- BenTels (talk) 20:33, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Whichever way the AfD goes, I'd like to second the comment that the sources don't have to be in English. The claims in the article need to be in English, but not the sources supporting them. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:42, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment See Wikipedia:ORG: "Individual chapters, divisions, departments, and other sub-units of notable organizations are only rarely notable enough to warrant a separate article." and Wikipedia:College_and_university_article_guidelines: "If an institution's faculties, constituent academic colleges, or academic departments are especially notable or significant they may have their own dedicated article... In general these organizations are not notable". Is there clear evidence of this Faculty's notability in its own right? AllyD (talk) 20:47, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, the faculty is simply the local mainstream tertiary education unit and as such is inherently notable. If it was some random private visoka škola founded two years ago, then it would be reasonable to ponder, but this isn't such a case. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 07:49, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Things are notable if there are sources, I looked for sources and couldn't find any (but I only speak English). If you're aware of sources, I'd encourage you to add them. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You can check e.g. the lookup of the local name "Poljoprivredni fakultet u Osijeku" at the University of Zagreb journal collection website, or look it up at the Croatian scientific bibliography website. Looking up the other derivations of their name will also yield more hits, such as "Poljoprivredni fakultet Osijek", "Poljoprivredni fakultet Sveučilišta u Osijeku", "Poljoprivredni fakultet Sveučilišta J. J. Strossmayera u Osijeku". --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 08:40, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 15:26, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - locally notable faculties are ipso facto not notable. Bearian (talk) 23:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Even if their scientific output is not demonstrably different to other faculties in the same country? When are they notable, then? What exact agricultural achievement does such a faculty have to partake in to be notable in your opinion? --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 13:14, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I mean, seriously, they easily pass WP:GNG as a national mainstream entity, when e.g. the prime minister comes to open their new building worth 26 million Euro, the national mainstream newspaper doesn't start explaining where it's at - it's at the Faculty of Agriculture in Osijek. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 13:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Nationally or internationally known faculties or school are notable, but that's not what was argued, supra, by User:Joy. I am glad to change my mind, when given clear and convincing evidence otherwise. 22:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It is indeed a nationally known faculty. Perhaps some context is in order - the Croatian public universities often don't function the same way as e.g. American ones - the faculties often look effectively like small universities in their own right. Their status is something of a regional monopoly - for example if you're from central Croatia and want to study medicine, your first choice is the School of Medicine, University of Zagreb, no question about it. Likewise for Split, Rijeka and Osijek, the other three regional centers. Agriculture is an even more straightforward example - if you're from Slavonia, it's fair to say that this faculty is the first choice, because the only remaining choice is the faculty in Zagreb. All those Google hits, they're neither fake nor a fluke - they do demonstrate general notability. Finally, if a young person like Matej Bagarić can have an article here (NB: nothing personal against him, I picked that article basically at random, I literally never heard of that person until today), why can't an older well-known institution that gathers numerous people who don't have worse results in their respective fields? It wouldn't make sense to exclude the latter but not the former. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 10:08, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 07:52, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, I don't see strong evidences of notability for this local faculty. A couple of sentences could be eventually merged with the parent article, University of Osijek. Cavarrone (talk) 19:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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