Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faculty of Electrical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering and Naval Architecture, University of Split


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to University of Split. Stifle (talk) 10:35, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * For clarification, if subsequent discussion or bold activity so determines, this is not to be taken as a bar to the article being improved and kept separate. Stifle (talk) 10:36, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Faculty of Electrical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering and Naval Architecture, University of Split

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 * Queried speedy delete as copyvio of http://intranet.fesb.hr/Default.aspx?alias=intranet.fesb.hr/english and http://intranet.fesb.hr/english/AboutFESB/History/tabid/1046/Default.aspx, but its author (User:Spodrug) says in Talk:Faculty of Electrical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering and Naval Architecture, University of Split that he is the dean of the organization that this article describes and has the right to put this matter on his faculty's web page as well as on Wikipedia. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:08, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  06:38, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete: College_and_university_article_guidelines indicates that individual faculties are notable only in exceptional circumstances. I am not seeing anything here to indicate that this is one such case: it appears to have an unremarkable history. Nor should Wikipedia be hosting material about their taught course content. AllyD (talk) 07:40, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * How widespread is the acceptance of the linked article? I couldn't verify that it was part of the actual WP:guidelines, it's not part of WP:PGLIST, and it wasn't tagged with subcat guideline, so I tagged it as an essay. The discussions about its status from over five years ago indicate some level of consensus and some acrimony. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 20:24, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and clean up. FESB is a reasonably generally notable faculty, it's kind of like the Split equivalent of FER in Zagreb. A Google Books search (~300 hits) indicates their general notability. Mainstream newspapers in Croatia outside of Split cover it occasionally Večernji list ~60 hits, Jutarnji list ~1300 hits. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 10:34, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge to University of Split. Faculty appears to have no independent notability, I may change my vote if more sources are found. AadaamS (talk) 17:35, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Most of the article is a course catalog, nor does it appear that the faculty, as a unit, is notable. The article is SPA-created, so it may be a beachhead for creating articles on some/all of the faculty. Agricola44 (talk) 17:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC).
 * Merge, at least for now, for similar reasons to . George8211 / T 18:29, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge. There's some content here worth merging; independently this outfit is not notable. Drmies (talk) 22:37, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article is cleaned, study programs deleted, and just one clarification Faculties in Croatia are legal entities, and as you can see in this article Faculty was one of the founders of the University of Split and not vice versa. Also, there are already Wikipedia pages of a number of Croatian faculties from University of Zagreb, Osijek,...Spodrug (talk) 22:58, 14 January 2015 (UTC) — Spodrug (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep - It would appear, Faculties do not work in the same way in Croatia. This is an independent entity that had a history before the University of Split existed.A merge would be inappropriate.  JT dale Talk ~ 02:00, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - I can confirm that the creator of the page is the dean of the Faculty of Electrical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering and Naval Architecture in Split (FESB), Croatia. Moreover, he is the most relevant person to create wikipage about this Faculty, which is one of the most recognizable institutions in a domain of technical sciences in Croatia. Best regards, Damir Lelas PhD, Vice Dean for Education (FESB) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Damir.lelas (talk • contribs) 10:29, 20 January 2015 (UTC)  — Damir.lelas (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete - No evidence of notability; fails WP:BRANCH.  Pax 11:40, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:BRANCH simply does not apply, as this is not a local unit of a larger organization. Both this organization and its hierarchical parent have the exact same geographical scope. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 20:11, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * With about 2500 students and cca 250 employees the Faculty is among largest, by many parameters the largest, constituents of the University of Split and has, as it was mentioned above, history before the University of Split and has separate legal entity. Therefore, we think that the Faculty should have its own wikipage. The significance and notability of the Faculty for the City of Split and Split-Dalmatia County is unquestionable. Anyone who lives there can confirm that. If total population of Split is 178102 (Wikipedia) and the Split-Dalmatia County is 454798 (Wikipedia), just by number of students enrolled one can see the point. These numbers in a global context are not big, but for Croatia and specially for the region of Croatia called Dalmatia suggest unquestionable notability of the Faculty. The webpage in Croatian www.fesb.hr according to Google Analytics in 2014 had 899606 pageviews, 445271 sessions and 97505 users. Facebook page www.facebook.hr/fesb.hr has 4523 likes. No to go in details, but scientific, professional and teaching output of the Faculty is by all parameters significant on Croatian and in some aspects on international level. Just as a fact, as it was also touched at this place, there are existing wikipages for other faculties in Croatia that are rather smaller than FESB. Concerning the quantity and relevance of the text itself, it should and will be improved.Damir.lelas (talk) 11:47, 23 January 2015 (UTC) — Damir.lelas (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr  \ talk / 04:06, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Some more info: - Some of FESB students' achievements:
 * DREAMSPARK LEARNING AWARD at Imagine Cup 2013 - World finals,, Project Authink
 * Association of applied engineering(AAE/UPS),
 * First and third prize at Shift Hackathon, ,
 * Damir.lelas (talk) 09:41, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. A locally notable faculty - unlike most (if not all) other faculties of the University of Split. WP:GNG seems to be met. The article's current size - compared with the size of the suggested target - is not really conducive to the merge. GregorB (talk) 21:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
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