Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faculty of Organisation Studies in Novo mesto


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The result was keep. Tone 10:21, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Faculty of Organisation Studies in Novo mesto

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Let's set aside that this article is written pretty much like an advertisement (tagged with advertisement, moving on). The problem is - is this notable? I've prodded it, and the creator disputed it, pointing to Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes. But he claims this is an independent institution. Sadly, the article is poorly written, and it is hard to figure this out, but the word faculty suggests an organizationl unit of a larger university. And the Faculty's webpage, http://www.fos.unm.si/, is part of http://www.unm.si/, which seems to be a university, albeit one missing an English homepage (or an English Wikipedia entry). The Slovenian entry at sl:Univerzitetno in raziskovalno središče Novo mesto is uninspiring but if translated, that article could likely survive, per common outcomes for degree-granting institutions. But what we have here is an advert-like for a faculty of such institution, and as such, without even a merge target (not that there is much to merge from this ad), I repeat my suggestion to delete this. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 23:38, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as none of the substance that is expected of these subjects and likewise no convincing signs of meaningful improvements, hence the solution for challenging articles with no better signs is delete, especially when there's been no better focus of our basic policies. SwisterTwister   talk  07:09, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Not delete as repeated argument - Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes - the faculty and its works are recognised by the state and international scientific community (surely in the extend which belongs to something established not even 10 years ago): Knowing Slovenian education system - (which the Piotrus has obviously 0 understanding of) - allowes indepndedn faculties - which are not part of universities. www.unm.si is nor was and article does not refere itself to this web page. www.unm.si stands for the University space of Novo mesto - which was (this thing is over and thus not mentioned in article)promoting study in novo mesto where set of independent faculties exist. sl:Univerzitetno in raziskovalno središče Novo mesto was thwe centre which is closed down by the decree of municipality and since 2014 unrelated to the institution in question or any other institution in the region which is listed at www.unm.si. Regarding the mean comment on advertising nanture of the article (which came accross intervention on responding the sources issue) - i believe there is absolutely zero advertising - unless you dispuite each educational institution presenting its work - i belive article is wrirtten in objective manner and without any other intention but presenting the nature and work. tell me the difference with: e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOBA_Faculty_of_Applied_Business_and_Social_Studies_Maribor which refferes directly to promotion material - e.g. reference 14, 15 and 16 referes directly to promotional material. Sorry guys: i believe the article surely needs development, am happy for any factual improvement but under the fact that it goes under the School understanding of notability as well as I am sure that there is not a word of promotion, however i will be happy to oblige with more references and information - in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colcody2000 (talk • contribs) 09:26, 14 January 2017 (UTC) Update:Adding new comments to the issue: Based on change of the argument regarding the Advertisement - I removed this remark. Additionally added more external sources supporting the notability issue dismissal. Categorisation was added. I am trying to prove notability )in the proper sense - via proving academic results and calling ong the mentioned notability rule understanding in the case of education institutions.)in this manner Non connected sources (information Commissioner of RS, WorldCat, RENET, DOAJ, Erasmus+,...) are providing reference of the Facutly to exist and operates. I agree on further improvements. Unfortunately - the establishment of the faculty is problematic from the perspective Slovenian higher education development possibilities - so it is hard to write it more clear and keep the actual picture. IOM is private organisation with no proper referencing that i could provide anything but link to business register. Univerzitetno in raziskovalno središče (repeating - it is not university but private company established, and destroyed/replaced by municipality Novo mesto) had some role in the time of the existance but since 2014 - this goes to the Municipality of Novo mesto. I will try to rewrite the intro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colcody2000 (talk • contribs) 11:41, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Update 2: In the sense of fairness - i was checking the page Piotrus is exposing - unm.si - this web is misleading since 2014 (transfer of establisher rights is now referenced in the article in question) and is at no point the reference of the article in question (faculty of organisation studies in novo mesto). However, i see that the slovenian wiki on the URS needs strong explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colcody2000 (talk • contribs) 12:05, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Dear Colcody. Let's discuss the key issue here, which is - what kind of organization this is. You linked DOBA Faculty of Applied Business and Social Studies Maribor for comparison. DOBA is a business school, which is " a university-level institution that confers degrees in business administration or management". That, of course, is notable. But for the article discussed here the lead of that article and your explanation is still lacking a proper explanation of what this is. As I said before, the common English usage for the word faculty is a subdivision of a university, so - not usually notable. Setting aide any peculiarities of Slovakian educational system, surely there must be a recognized English word that we can use to describe this institution. So, my simple question remains: what is it? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 17:30, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Why are you bringing Slovakia into this discussion? :DDD --Tone 19:23, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Dear Piotrus, thank you for the fisrt clear question - it might be my lack of expereince in managing this stuff within wiki, but still. So Lets try to make this thing clear. Slovenian rules are slovenian rules (legal ones), based on them Slovenian institution working in the field of higher education can be called faculty (Fakulteta) without be part of university (some institutions use name school, some collage and some faculty - however, i belive it is clear i cannot call the institution school if statutory english title is faculty). Faculty has right that (according to slovenian legislation and decision of NAKVIS) provides education at bacherol, masters and doctoral level, as well as it has right to name people to the titles of professors of different ranking. Technically the institution in question curently provides possibility to finish the study at BA, MA and PHD equivalent level (i cannot say BA MA and PhD, since Slovenian legislation prohibits promotion of non slovenian titles, so i am only speaking in the sense of equivalents (measured via ECTS points and duration of study)in the field of Quality Management, which is field of management (recognised academic field of education and field of profession). Baased on our debate i see that there is missing knowledge on slovenian system of education which might be requested in order to reduce the confusion (i will check this in next 2 days and clarify this info - i have these issues explainign the slovenian education system also in real life so this way i will be able to solve some issues). I hope this answer helps to the clarification. If not help me developing with suggestions.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colcody2000 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Update: clarification regarding status of the institution in querstion added by ministry RS (Which is Slovenia and not Slovakia in this case) + ECAHE - European authority in the field of accreditiation (basically repeting what is on the page of ministry - and saying that: Faculty is in the case of Slovenia one of 4 types of educational institutions (uni., faculty., art academy, and professional college). I understand that it might be confusing from the perspective of certain part of the world - but in fact this might be one of relevant bits of the understanding. (private/independendt - not part of uni and not financed by the state).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colcody2000 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep, this institution meets the criteria. It is an independent organization that offers several graduate programs and not a part of a larger university (a peculiarity in the Slovenian system, as explained above). The article has quality issues, for sure. --Tone 10:39, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Management-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:31, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Slovenia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:31, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:31, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:49, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as a degree-awarding institution per longstanding precedent and consensus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:31, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination. It is now clear this passes our guidelines for encyclopedic institutions. I again suggest that there should be a note explaining what faculty means in Slovenian educational system. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 19:46, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * "Faculty" is a relatively common phrase for university (e.g., in French, à la fac) czar  06:51, 27 January 2017 (UTC)


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