Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fadzilah Kamsah


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Asserting that other sources exist isn't a useful AfD argument; you need to present specific sources. Likewise with links to search engines. We all know how to use search engines. The hard part is sifting through and evaluating the results. And, of course, number of Facebook likes is totally meaningless. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:59, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Fadzilah Kamsah

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fails WP:BIO. claims for notability are questionable. "Motivational expert". Marked for notability for almost 4 years and even Malay language article lacks coverage. LibStar (talk) 12:14, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Has published a little, but GS cites are tiny WP:Too soon. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:46, 20 August 2016 (UTC).
 * Delete non-notable motivational expert.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:36, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete and I frankly would've PRODed, nothing at all for independent notability. SwisterTwister   talk  07:56, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Bernama is the only official government news agency in Malaysia and is deemed to be the most reliable in the country, and when "they" say this guy is a motivational expert , it does mean that he is indeed a motivational expert. There are plenty of other reliable English and Malay-language news sources and books that can be found easily on the net. Below my sig is some findsources link that you might find helpful. Deletion is not the proper solution I believe, though I would accept the result of any consensus. Ciao. Arteyu ?  Blame it on me ! 04:17, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * He even have 2.4 million fans on Facebook!


 * when is number of Facebook supporters ever been a criteria for notability? LibStar (talk) 06:25, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I mean, when you have over 2 million people who "like" you, I can imaging that may satisfy the "well-known and significant award or honor" part of WP:NPERSON.--Prisencolin (talk) 03:53, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * i know, i know, i put it here just for others to gauge his notability. 2.4mil likes for a person in a country with a population of below 30mil is something to ponder upon Arteyu ?  Blame it on me ! 02:53, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep. The Bernama source looks reliable, independent, and provides some depth of coverage of the subject. It's is not enough by itself to pass WP:GNG, but if one filters out the social media fluff from a Google search one also finds more reliable sources such as this one, enough to satisfy both the requirement for multiple sources and the requirement that the subject be notable for more than just one event. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:32, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 21:18, 28 August 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Given the Weak Keeps, I am re-listing this again to allow, , and  a chance to comment, in case they wish to oppose the keep assertion. Lourdes 11:35, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per other users Bernama is a reliable source. There are possibly others out there.--Prisencolin (talk) 03:52, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes  11:35, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. number of facebook fans is not notabiiity; this is totally unsupported by any previous afd here and is exactly the way we do not judge notability.  DGG ( talk ) 04:36, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Being famous, by itself, isn't the same thing as being notable in terms of receiving significant reliable source coverage. That Bernama has mentioned him is good, and the publication is fine enough. Yet that's not enough to have the kind of detailed material that we need for a biographical page. I don't doubt that he has some kind of celebrity status, but that's not persuasive for me. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:15, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


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