Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faith healing ministry of Aimee Semple McPherson


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Aimee Semple McPherson. No prejudice against merging into the main article as appropriate, although there are concerns some of the material may be non-neutral and/or unencyclopedic. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Faith healing ministry of Aimee Semple McPherson

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Unnecessary content fork, largely duplicating the already-existing Aimee Semple McPherson without really offering a clear reason why her work would be a standalone topic separately from her life. Bearcat (talk) 21:03, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Women,  and Canada. Bearcat (talk) 21:03, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to main per nom. There is no indication this is a notable subject apart from the main article. The tone and content is unencyclopedic. If someone wants to volunteer to filter out the problems and Merge properly sourced material that meets NPOV, no objection.  // Timothy :: talk  21:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Aimee Semple McPherson per nom. This article was created in 2015 by the RagesossBot of User:MaggieHood19 and her students, as a Wikistudent project - more than a decade after the original article already existed. There really is no reason to keep this. — Maile (talk) 23:28, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Christianity and Spirituality.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  01:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep if redirect then the material would be migrated back into the main article lengthening it again (which is why it was removed to its own article in May 2015)

The faith healing section was originally part of the main article but was lengthy and detailed enough for its own article as it was adding substantially to the main article which was to be condensed. This occurred in May 9 2015 by MaggieHood19

Sources are already well referenced, if there is an issue with "encyclopedic" tone, some specifics in this area to the problem sentences etc would be useful as objections currently too vague to be actionable by myself at least

In any instance, I plan to work on the article as needed, for example a neglected area is the opposition against McPherson in this area from  theological view of  Cessationism is the view that the “miracle gifts” of tongues and healing have ceased, at the end of the end of the apostolic age.

Granted more in this area could be done to explore the Cessationism aspect in the article and likely the only significant viewpoint missing since already there is the American Medical Association in San Francisco, Pastor Charles S. Price, (skeptic minister who came to believe after he saw) atheist, Charles Chaplin (skilled hypnotism and the power she commanded over the crowds);   P.H. Welshimer of First Christian Church (hypnotism and "mesmeric power") and others in the Views on McPherson’s work section and elsewhere. SteamWiki (talk) 00:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Aimee Semple McPherson: As per the nomination.  Ratnahastin  (talk) 14:04, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep but revise. If incorporated back into Aimee Semple McPherson there are a few references here that are different and should be kept. The main article already has 204 references (although possibly some of those can be cut down IMO). Some of this material could be moved to  Faith healing which currently only says "During the 1920s and 1930s, Aimee Semple McPherson was a controversial faith healer of growing popularity during the Great Depression." although that article also isn't designed to go into details about individual faith healers. If this article is kept it needs revision.   johnmark† : Talk (talk to me)  00:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep (duplicate !vote struck Daniel (talk) 03:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC)) I intend on working on the article, especially past the "holidays;" December a good month for editors to work on articles demanding attention buried as they can be with all the responsibilities of friends and family around this time of year LoL.

As before the "Cessationism" view needs to be included, this I already have text and a source from a famous minister of the time,  it has to be properly edited before it can be added to the article.

Also, among other things, more details on McPherson's first faith healing by which she learned of it she herself; (broken ankle) healed by William Durham,  who brought the Azusa revival to Chicago  and its  link to Pentecostalism and its traditions of divine healing.

The healing, stated, by McPherson, in a testimony, was done before 12 witnesses (one a skeptic who was astonished then joined the others in praise after he saw the cast removed from the healed foot) divided the congregation. Doubters did not think the foot had ever been broken, or did not believe it had been healed (Epstein p 59).

William Durham, attended the Azusa Street revival, initiated with African American preacher William J. Seymour who had established the Azusa Street Mission in 1906. was known also for its numerous statements by people of either faith healings they saw or received. William Durham, himself was convinced; after severe attack of rheumatic fever in 1891, he survived by praying, confirming his belief in the doctrine of divine healing. The period skeptic of the era angle, among with mesmerism, hypnotism etc also have examples of persons who were not healed. At this time I have not located any information or interviews by skeptics investigating those who emphatically claimed they were healed such as the Romani who came to Christ because of stated healings; nevertheless  I have some examples of those, given by some skeptics, who wanted healing and did not get it and shall include those in the article as well.SteamWiki (talk) 04:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 22:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

SteamWiki (talk) 13:03, 24 December 2023 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote Liz Read! Talk! 05:26, 27 December 2023 (UTC))
 *  Keep  As stated earlier I intend on working on the article,and to this end obtained another source Charles H Barfoot wrote the book Aimee Semple McPherson and the Making of Modern Pentecostalism, 1890-1926 which has details in areas glossed over or not covered by other biographers.
 * Redirect to Aimee Semple McPherson: per the NPOV maintenance tag which has been up for seven years and as a WP:POVFORK article. The article is written in the POV of a faith healer and duplicates the content of Aimee Semple McPherson. बिनोद थारू (talk) 04:57, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Aimee Semple McPherson per nomination, non-neutral content fork. Daniel (talk) 03:31, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.