Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Falcon Studios


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Y.Ichiro (会話) 04:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Falcon Studios


This has been speedied several time, with a fair amount of grief given to the speediers, including me. So, in the interest of transparency and openness, let's have a full discussion of it. I do not believe it satisfies WP:CORP, and I also do not approve of "placeholder" articles--if an article is not yet written, there's no reason for us to have a page on it. Chick Bowen 18:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't seem to find any writing about the studio as a business, so I agree that it fails WP:CORP. -- Mikeblas 18:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete 707 Unique google hits. Don't see anything that attests to notability. Nothing but ads and info from subject.  Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim  18:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: 563 Unique google hits for amazon.com and most of those are ads. I'm sure there is a better way to determine notability. -Todd ( Talk - Contribs ) 08:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I was really hoping someone would come up with something that asserts meeting WP:CORP I'm afraid the ebar and gavyn articles do not. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim  22:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment:WP:CORP says that a business is notable if "The company or corporation has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the company or corporation itself." I've listed 3 articles, which constitutes multiple, these are published works not written by Falcon or its subsidiaries, and many people use these articles for information, so I would hesitate to call them trivial.  If these don't fulfill that criteria, I'm wondering what kind of published works you are looking for? -Todd ( Talk - Contribs ) 08:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. The company certainly does meet condition number 1 of WP:CORP.
 * Here is a reprint of a newspaper article dealing with Falcon's use of Bareback model, and reviewing their upcoming "Velvet Mafia": http://ebar.com/artscolumns/artcolumn.php?sec=karrnal.
 * The first paragraph of this article deals with a change-up of the staff at Falcon: http://www.vidioview.com/View.html
 * This article deals with a business deal that Falcon has negotatiated with NakedSword: http://www.gayvn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=News&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=278251
 * I guarantee that there are plenty more articles dealing with Falcon Studios or their policies. These were just the first articles I could find on short notice-Todd ( Talk - Contribs ) 20:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * We have 5 days, so don't feel too rushed. Please reread WP:CORP and bring us what you can. I don't think thise two articles are enough. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim  22:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there are 3 articles right now, what types of articles are you looking for? These certainly demonstrate that Falcon Studios is of significant notability that others would write significant articles about them.  I doubt that a porn company is going to make Forbes 500 or be in a significant stock index, so that only leaves option #1; is there anything I'm missing from option #1?  -Todd ( Talk - Contribs ) 22:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete Fails WP:CORP. scope_creep 23:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Meets WP:CORP criteria 1 as evidenced by the following: (some links contain adult material)
 * Company Profile: Falcon Studios, Brady Jansen, 2006-04-27, gayvn.com, accessed 2006-11-17 Gay Video News (GayVN) is a division of Adult Video News, a leading adult industry information company
 * Reviews & Eye Candy » Reviews » Falcon Studios, 2006-11-09, justusboys.com, accessed 2006-11-17 Just Us Boys is a leading online provider of gay entertainment news&mdash;see Company Profile: JustUsBoys.Com, Brady Jansen, 2006-09-28, gayvn.com, accessed 2006-11-17
 * Falcon Purchased by 3Media Corp., Gretchen Gallen, 2004-08-19, xbiz.com, accessed 2006-11-17 XBIZ is a leading source of information regarding the adult entertainment industry&mdash;see About XBIZ, xbiz.com, accessed 2006-11-17
 * Falcon Studios Joins ASACP (Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection) as Corporate Sponsor, 2006-02-28, asacp.org, accessed 2006-11-17
 * Falcon to Release 65 Films in 2005, 2005-04-06, xbiz.com, accessed 2006-11-17 Note that an article published a month earlier in Forbes regarding Vivid Entertainment stated that Vivid cranks out 60 films a year&mdash;see The Porn King, Brett Pulley, 2005-03-07, forbes.com, accessed 2006-11-17
 * Falcon Prepares Media Blitz for ‘Cross Country’, Gretchen Gallen, 2005-08-30, xbiz.com, accessed 2006-11-17
 * Falcon Studios, Naked Sword Announce Strategic Partnership, Steve Javors, 2006-08-01, xbiz.com, accessed 2006-11-17 NakedSword is a leading provider of online on-demand video; they have also partnered with Playgirl to provide on-demand video at PlaygirlOnDemand.com via PlaygirlTV.com&mdash;see NakedSword and Playgirl Partner on VOD Site, Gretchen Gallen, 2006-07-26, xbiz.com, accessed 2006-11-17
 * Falcon, NakedSword Ink Deal, Jonah P. Davies, 2006-11-07, gayvn.com, accessed 2006-11-17
 * Falcon, Video Secrets in Live Content Deal, Rhett Pardon, 2004-05-14, xbiz.com, accessed 2006-11-17 Video Secrets is a leading provider of interactive video/webcam shows with live models
 * Falcon Pens Sex Toy Deal With Pulse, Gretchen Gallen, 2006-06-02, xbiz.com, accessed 2006-11-17
 * Sweepstakes Trip to New Zealand Tops Falcon's Cross Country Plans, Doug Lawrence, 2005-08-30, gayvn.com, accessed 2006-11-17
 * DHD Media Expands its Services to Falcon, Michael Hayes, 2006-06-03, xbiz.com, accessed 2006-11-17
 * Chad Donovan Joins Falcon Studios, Rick Richards, 2006-11-06, gayvn.com, accessed 2006-11-17
 * October 2006 Gossip, Mickey Skee, 2006-10-03, gayvn.com gossip column item, accessed 2006-11-17
 * November 2006 Gossip, Mickey Skee, 2006-11-03, gayvn.com gossip column item, accessed 2006-11-17&mdash;(Hedda Hopper and Louella Parsons wrote gossip, too)
 * Most likely there will never be much "mainstream" coverage of the porn industry and Forbes will probably never cover a gay porn company. Be that as it may, Falcon is a recognized leader in the genre of gay porn studios along the lines of Vivid Entertainment in the straight porn industry (see info above).
 * As for "placeholder articles", they're called "stubs", and it's a bit disconcerting to see that sort of comment from an administrator. &mdash; Chidom   talk   04:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Even a stub must have content and assertion of notability; please see the version at the time for the context of my comment. Chick Bowen 06:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Point taken. There was a marginal assertion of importance, but the content was obviously designed&mdash;as you said&mdash;as a placeholder. I agree that "placeholder articles" are different from true stubs, which need to be a bit more robust before they're published. I've argued the point several times in the past and probably will again. For example, there are more than 600 "stubs" in Category:Church stubs; many of which resemble the Family Christian Center article. My apologies for not doing more research before responding to your comment. Thanks. &mdash; Chidom   talk   11:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep The previous version was speedy deleted for because the speedy deleters claimed that it was just a re-write of information from the company's own website, and not because it didn't meet WP:CORP. I have made numerous changes to the article since the nomination that are referenced to sources that are not the Falcon company website. This is probably the most important company in gay porn. The article was linked from dozens of other Wikipedia articles. The new article should be given some time to develop. Zeromacnoo 12:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC) (with additional comments Nov. 20).
 * Keep. This is a notable producer of pornography. Also, I've a feeling that they did the "Other Side of Aspen" series, which influenced porn ( both gay and straight ) for the next ten years. WMMartin 19:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per all above. No longer a placeholder. -- Samuel Wantman 19:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per above: notable, decently expanded. --Alynna 20:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


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