Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Falk, Musicians (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Seems to just make notability guidelines, per 069952497a and SJ. Definitely rename to match naming conventions. Continue to improve article to avoid a 3rd nomination for deletion. Keeper |  76  00:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Falk, Musicians
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Fails WP:NMUSIC, written by an author called FalkMusic (a likely conflict of interest), has previously been nominated for deletion and deleted Revolution1221 (talk) 00:32, 15 March 2013 (UTC)


 * While my user name is FalkMusic, I am not an artist, singer, nor musician in the band Falk. I am a relative of the two girls in the band, and therefore share a last name (Falk). Therefore, in accordance with Wikipedia's terms, this is not an autobiography nor a conflict of interest, so it should not qualify for deletion.


 * Furthermore, the reasons listed for deletion in 2009 (1st nomination) have been revised to comply with Wikipedia's Notability Criteria for musicians and ensembles. Details on these items below can be seen in the Falk (Musicians) article.


 * 1) Falk has been featured in several published works, including newspapers, magazines, and film documentaries.
 * 2) Falk has written several songs that were certified platinum in Brazil (performed by Wanessa).
 * 3) Falk has performed on 2 notable television shows, including The Next Great American Band and The Jenny Jones Show.
 * 4) Falk has released 3 full-length albums and 2 EPs via independent record labels.


 * Thanks! --FalkMusic (talk) 00:57, 15 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment: whatever the merits of the article, I would say it is still a conflict of interest. As WP:COI says, "You should not create or edit articles about yourself, your family or your close friends." (emphasis mine). Ducknish (talk) 02:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - if kept the article should immediately be renamed, probably to Falk (band), and unencyclopedic twaddle like "The sisters are naturally gifted and their distinct talents blend to complement each other perfectly. They are uniquely Falk." removed -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:44, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:19, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Utah-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:19, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:19, 15 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. The article is currently an unreferenced BLP and the topic is not notable -- it fails on both the general notability and musician-specific notability guidelines. I searched for third-party reliable-source coverage of these two young women and found only a couple of nice little human-interest feature stories in local newspapers: and  -- nice stories, but not the kind of coverage needed to satisfy the general notability guideline. Furthermore, I don't seen indication that they have had the kind of recognition that's necessary for  Wikipedia:Notability (music). --Orlady (talk) 17:45, 15 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article has been edited by several other users to remove any "unencyclopedic twaddle" that was previously mentioned, leaving the article without bias. Therefore, there should not be any issue with who wrote the original page, since it has been edited by enough other users to leave only facts. Also, I have added sources onto the page to back up this information, including info on achievements that I believe meet both the general notability and musician-specific notability guidelines. Per my comments earlier,musician-specific notability guidelines states that "A musician or ensemble may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria...has had a single or album on any country's national music chart" and "Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network". Therefore, Falk meets the notability requirements because they have written songs that were certified platinum in Brazil and were featured on 2 nationally broadcasted, substantial TV networks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FalkMusic (talk • contribs) 18:35, 15 March 2013 (UTC)  --FalkMusic (talk) 18:38, 15 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hesitant Keep. The article has been improved significantly, and sources have been added in a way that I think meets WP:Notability as well as WP:NMUSIC. However, a lot of unreferenced information is still in the article, and I agree with ChrisTheDude in that it should be renamed Falk (band). 069952497aComments and complaintsStuff I've done 20:45, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't see how the recent edits demonstrate notability. The closest thing to a third-party source about this duo is this National Eating Disorders Association press release about Alexa's eating disorder and the sisters' role as "Official Ambassadors" for the National Eating Disorders Association. That does provide sourcing for the factoid about the eating disorder, but it doesn't indicate either general notability or notability as a musician. --Orlady (talk) 22:38, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * There are also two references from the Salt Lake Tribune which focus entirely on the subject of the article, as well as the interview from Hard News Cafe, which is the official newspaper of Utah State University . 069952497aComments and complaintsStuff I've done 21:36, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I have added multiple in-text citations to back up notability on these artists. These include - info on having platinum hits in Brazil, their appearance in the full-length documentary The Indigo Evolution, their performance on The Jenny Jones show, and their appearance on the Fox show The Next Great American Band, among other citations.--FalkMusic (talk) 23:16, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi FalkMusic, it looks like the topic is notable. But the article as it stands may well be deleted, with you as the sole author and advocate for it.  I recommend posting this to a subpage of your userpage such as User:FalkMusic/Falk (band), finding a Wikipedian who is an active editor in that category of music (perhaps one of the other users who has edited it so far), and ask them to help make it into an article & ask them to recreate it.   – SJ +  03:36, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, rename, and improve - generally and genre'ally notable.   – SJ +  03:36, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
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