Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fallen Desire

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. &mdash; Xezbeth 07:29, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Fallen Desire
THIS PAGE SHOULD BE KEPT BUT USER: WEYES AND HIS MINIONS KEEP ABUSING THEIR POWER AND LISTING IT FOR SPEEDY DELETE DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT SHOULDNT BE ON THERE BrowardBulldawg 05:50, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*Speedy delete as patent nonsense and obvious hoax. --Idont Havaname 05:54, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Besides the fact that this band comes up with no google hits and the fact that it provides no information that if conforms to anything within WP:MUSIC and the fact that you have been warned for vandalism many times, there is no choice, if you insist on a VfD, the i nominate a Strong Delete. and the admins are not abusing power and do not make personal attacks, read WP:Wikiquette. Sasquatch&#08242;&#08596;Talk&#08596;Contributions 05:53, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, according to mp3.com the band has no label, no offline relases and the members are incorrectly listed, does not meet mucis guidelines --nixie 05:54, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * OBVIOUS HOAX AND PATENT NONSENSE? I THINK THE ONLY WHO HAS PROVED HE IS INEFFECTIVE AT THESE VOTES IS YOU IDONT HAVEANAME -BrowardBulldawg 05:56, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, given the recent edit to the article (which previously showed Richie Rich as a member of the band), I'll change my vote to delete as non-notable per WP:MUSIC. By the way, have you read any of my other VfD votes, or just this one?  I've voted on VfD for about 500 articles since last November.  --Idont Havaname 07:17, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I marked this as a speedy under criterion 3 (vandalism). A look at the names of the band members and the user's previous edits depletes all the good faith I have to assume. It is nice to know I have minions though. --W(t) 05:57, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
 * Aw man! I want minions too! NOT FAIR! lol Sasquatch&#08242;&#08596;Talk&#08596;Contributions 06:03, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Can I be your minion, W? Even after the fix, it's still not notable. Google still only turns up one hit for ("fallen desire" bryan houston justin) --Xcali 06:00, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep NOTABLE -BrowardBulldawg 05:58, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Again, stop the personal attacks and come up with proof that this band exists from a verfiable source. If you have no proof and continue these personal attacks, you will be banned from editting Wikipedia. I'm trying to be nice here but you are pushing it. If you want to say its notable, PROVE IT! Sasquatch&#08242;&#08596;Talk&#08596;Contributions 05:59, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * WHERE HAVE I MADE PERSONAL ATTACKS?????? AND LOOK AT THE LINK IN THE ARTICLE ITSELF. DID U THINK TO READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE YOU NOMINATED IT FOR SPEEDY DELETE??? -BrowardBulldawg 06:02, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 2 issues first: "OBVIOUS HOAX AND PATENT NONSENSE? I THINK THE ONLY WHO HAS PROVED HE IS INEFFECTIVE AT THESE VOTES IS YOU IDONT HAVEANAME" would be a personal attack on Idont haveaname, and "USER: WEYES AND HIS MINIONS KEEP ABUSING THEIR POWER" would also be a personal attack on Weyes... second, i read the page, still doesn't prove anything under WP:MUSIC. Please read that page. You will then come to the conjecture, along with the rest of us, that the band is non-notable and everything we have done is fair considering we have only been able to find 1 hit on it... Sasquatch&#08242;&#08596;Talk&#08596;Contributions 06:07, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * The comment to idont haveaname is not a personal assault, i was pointing out that he claimed it was an obvious hoax and patent nonsense dispite the fact that if you click one link you will see it is a real band. that is a CRITICISM of his voting technique, not an attack. ALSO it is my opinion that Weyes and his followers ARE abusing their power, that is not an attack, the only attack was there continued Speedy Deleting of the page. AND my comment to you to read the page had nothing to do with MUSIC, it had to do with the fact that you asked me to proof to you that this band EXISTS, please read what you wrote, you asked to prove it exists, and i told you to click the link to see it did. NOW you change the subject and ignore your original comments, how conveniant. -BrowardBulldawg 06:11, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Example: You asked: "Again, stop the personal attacks and come up with proof that this band exists from a verfiable source. " I replied: "AND LOOK AT THE LINK IN THE ARTICLE ITSELF. " then you completely change the subject and IGNORE your first comments in order to discredit me by saying: "... second, i read the page, still doesn't prove anything under WP:MUSIC." THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY ASKED. YOU CHANGED TO DISCREDIT ME. -BrowardBulldawg 06:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * If you read the rest of my post, it also talks about notability... and the first post i made was about WP:MUSIC... so i don't see how that really applies, plus, you really brought up the issue of notability by editting the original page to that the band member's name actually match up... Sasquatch&#08242;&#08596;Talk&#08596;Contributions 06:29, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * First, under the original page and the band members listed, it turned up 0 hits, therefore, that was a valid hoax. After you edited the page, you then changed the band members to the correct name. After you did that, this brings up the issue of notability brought upon the page by yourself by correcting your nonsensical origial page which indeed contained false information about the band members. So really, you yourself are responsible for the change of topic because you EDITED the page. So therefore, even after the edits, it still is a valid Delete because it fails the WP:MUSIC test. As for your excuse the it is your opinion the Weyes are abusing their power, it is still as personal attack. The second you express your opinion, it can be interpreted as so (i.e. "I think < > is an idiot because of his edits" would just be an opinion of an person, but also a peronal attack). Again, I reitterate, the original page, seen here was to be speedied as it was a hoax and did not contain the link at the time. Hope that answers your questions, either way, the page is not Wikipedia material. Sorry for any misunderstandings. Sasquatch&#08242;&#08596;Talk&#08596;Contributions 06:22, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * HOW IS SAYING HE IS ABUSING HIS POWER AN ATTACK? ARE YOU SAYING THAT SAYING THE TRUTH IS WRONG? ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF SOMEONE ABUSES THEIR POWER IT IS AN ATTACK TO POINT THAT OUT?! -BrowardBulldawg 06:24, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * If you say it without hard evidence, it is called slandering. Simply because it is your opinion, doesn't make it fact. And he is not abusing otherwise he would have deleted the page himself. The fact that he put a notice up to let other admins to decide, is a sign that he didn't abust power. Again, opinion is not fact, don't slander and in general, just don't say anything about anybody unless it's to compliment them. Try Ethic of Reciprocity. Also, just calm down. if your going to post anything else here, let it be something that refutes the current claim that it doesn't satisfy WP:MUSIC as that is the current issue. You proved the band exists, but not notability. Sasquatch&#08242;&#08596;Talk&#08596;Contributions 06:29, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as the band does not have a label, and there is no evidence of major tours as defined in the Wikipedia guidelines on WP:MUSIC. Also I'd suggest to BrowardBulldawg that he turns off the Caps Lock, as writing in all caps on the internet is generally taken as impolite or a sign of lunacy (no, I'm not saying you're a lunatic, but it's the equivalent of screaming at the top of your lungs, which tends to get you strange looks if you do that in the street). Average Earthman 06:41, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete garage band vanity. JamesBurns 06:52, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence of WikiProject Music guidelines being complied with. Capitalistroadster 06:59, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What are those ppl talking about that say this band is not on a label? It is signed to Drive Thru records which is an important indpeendent label and has released two albums under it, they have also toured nearly all of the United States and receieved considerable radio airplay. -BrowardBulldawg 07:07, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * They are? Granted, they do have a letter from a Drive Thru exec that expressed interest in their band.  But that letter's from 2003, and Drive Thru Records would have certainly posted something about them on their website by now.  I just went to Drive Thru's website and looked for Fallen Desire on their bands list.  They're not there.  And furthermore, "Fallen Desire" gets only 142 Google results, and only 8 of those (all of which are on mp3.com.au, which is not MP3.com) have anything to do with the band. --Idont Havaname 07:29, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * YELL YELL YELL YELL YELL YELL YELL YELL YELL YELL YELL YELL YELL YELL,  delete  nn. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 07:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete NN, possible vanity; btw, I want dark minions -) Lectonar 07:24, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I think this quote from their web page says it all: We are currently still searching for a singer! We have all of our stuff together, and we are ready to start playing shows, we just need that finial piece of the puzzle! If they ever find that elusive singer, and bring out an album, then they can have an article on WP. -- Silversmith  Hewwo 08:42, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, and somebody show this guy how to turn off his caps lock. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 09:13, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Garage band with no singer and a self made website.  Vanity page. Abusive user shouldn't be tolerated. Possibly the bass player? MrHate 09:41, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I automatically vote delete when creators invade VfD and write in capitals. I'm usually right. Censure BrowardBulldawg. JFW | T@lk  11:24, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Don't create articles about yourself. --Fazdeconta 11:34, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Utterly insignificant; delete. -- Hoary 12:36, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)
 * delete. Dunc|&#9786; 13:05, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Page and page's creator are out of line and out of hand.  Might as well put them out of mind, too. Jasonglchu 14:54, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep WINP, this is verifiable info, etc... Sam Spade 15:57, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, WINP, but that doesn't mean that it is a census, listing of every band (signed and unsigned), &c. Verifiability is not a reason to keep an article - unverifiability is a reason to delete an article. Jasonglchu 17:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable. The rest of this thread is further support for deletion that I will not restate.  Gblaz 16:06, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete nn band vanity. --Etacar11 16:49, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - based solely on all the unreadable yelling above. --FCYTravis 22:54, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:MUSIC, period. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:13, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails the guidelines at WP:MUSIC --Carnildo 23:41, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable.  Tobycat 03:57, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity and disruptiveness on VfD. Xoloz 05:11, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)


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