Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fama's Nursery & Landscaping (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Fama's Nursery & Landscaping
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''This AfD was closed procedurally, as it was nominated by a likely and now-blocked sockpuppet. I am re-nominating, as I think it fails the criteria for inclusion. The article fails WP:N, as it is one of New Jersey's oldest retail nurseries, but not the oldest''. This seems to be a particularly thin claim to notability. m o n o  23:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * It does seem a bit thin on notability, doesn't it? Also, "In 1992 he was named Man of the Year by the Chamber of Commerce of Somerset, New Jersey after he created a park dedicated to Guglielmo Marconi at the site of the New Brunswick Marconi Station" is completely irrelevant to the article, as it has nothing to do with the landscaping business as far as I can tell. Carcharoth (talk) 23:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral comment: Parks are wontedly landscaped. Gwen Gale (talk) 23:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and surely if the notability of the business rested on having done landscaping for that park, it should be explicitly mentioned in the article. For broader or deeper articles on landscaping and plant nurseries (i.e. umbrella associations or older nurseries and companies), see Teufel Nursery, British Columbia Landscape & Nursery Association, Späth nursery, Moon Nurseries, European Landscape Contractors Association, Veitch Nurseries, Savenac Nursery Historic District. For something of a comparable age to the company mentioned in this article, see Frank's Nursery & Crafts or Aubin Nurseries. It seems that in the overall history of plant nurseries and landscaping design, this company is relatively minor and there are other articles that could be written or expanded far more easily than this one. Carcharoth (talk) 00:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe they were the first to use leafblowers or something. Gwen Gale (talk) 00:37, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Or they invented the rake!  m o n o   03:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * What is it they say about sarcasm and wit? I was trying to be serious here and give examples of the type of articles we have on this topic, and the responses are humourous/sarcastic speculations about what they might have been the first to use? The GNG (general notability guideline) is great as far as it goes, but I do think considering what specifically makes specialised topics notable is something that can be usefully done without sarcasm, even in the absence of a specific notability guideline. So the question I was trying to answer was: what makes a nursery and landscaping business probably notable? My view is that prime considerations are age (founded early 20th century or earlier), size (turnover and number of outlets), and reach (national and international bodies especially, but only rarely local institutions). But those are probably mentioned in the GNG already. Those characteristics are what usually causes multiple references in independent and reliable sources (even if not online), and I don't see that here. Carcharoth (talk) 07:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Coverage (in pith, not breadth) yields notability. Meanwhile I think your input on this has been helpful and is more than welcome. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see extensive third party coverage for this. gnews. LibStar (talk) 01:37, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete—no significant coverage in germane reliable sources. ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  quaestor  ─╢ 08:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete The assertion of notability is that it is one of the oldest nurseries. This isn't unique or particularly notable. AniMate  20:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.