Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fame Kills: Starring Kanye West and Lady Gaga


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. v/r - TP 15:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Fame Kills: Starring Kanye West and Lady Gaga
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This WP:RPDA is about an event that never happened. It is notable that the planned concerts and their subsequent cancellations occurred, this is not notable in its own right. This article violates WP:IINFO as it's a list of tour dates that never occurred with a few tibits of information. Any relevant information is already mentioned in The Monster Ball Tour - one sentence needs to be added to Kanye West and Lady Gaga. SplashScreen (talk) 11:56, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Delete while information that may be notable enough to include in an article about the performers, it does fail WP:info Newmanoconnor (talk) 19:38, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:08, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep There is a significant analysis of the tour in the article, including the extensive development and promotion, and the scheduled dates. Notable. —  Andrew s talk  08:07, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * All of which can be detailed in The Monster Ball Tour, Lady Gaga and Kanye West. The rest is trivia. SplashScreen (talk) 11:59, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:37, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete G4 (repost) - so tagged. While it's unclear to me whether the content is substantially different, the article has been put through AFD two times.  There should be no reason for this discussion to continue, let alone carry over again, in my opinion.  I call for WP:SALT if this is indeed a repost. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 06:08, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As you would have known if you hadn't simply glanced at the AfD history, the current version of this page is very much different from the version that was deleted at the first AfD, thus speedy is not an option. You would have known this if you had looked through the points made at the second. The second AfD was about this current state of the article and there was not consensus to delete. I really don't appreciate you making rash decisions like this from a surface-level judgment on something you aren't familiar with. I !vote yet again to keep this as it was significantly improved from its initial state with numerous reliable sources. There is too much information here to merge it into the other articles without violating WP:UNDUE. –Chase (talk / contribs) 06:27, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This argument falls foul of WP:BHTT and WP:PLENTY. It doesn't matter whether there is "too much information" on the topic; we're here to argue over whether this information is notable in itself. In this case, it is not. SplashScreen (talk) 23:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, this does not violate WP:IINFO as it's not simply a list of tour dates, and there are more than "a few tidbits" of other information. –Chase (talk / contribs) 18:15, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Not at all; we have a list of tour dates, prefixed by "Lady Gaga and Kanye West were going to tour, here's some random details about how 'gay' it was going to be what the stage might have looked like (trivia and WP:FANCRUFT) and here's a list of reasons why it may or may not have been cancelled (WP:SPECULATION)". Please explain what here justified its own article. SplashScreen (talk) 23:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - firstly, this is an article about preparations for an 'event' that never happened. That doesn't mean we can't have an article on it (indeed, we have a whole category tree Category:Cancelled projects and events), but it would have to be very clearly notable, and have a lot to say about it. I don't think this one passes either of those. Notability is arguable, but the decisive point for me is that there simply isn't much to say about this tour, meaning a separate article isn't necessary: it can be covered perfectly well in the other Lady Gaga and Kanye West articles. Robofish (talk) 12:49, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   05:29, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. No policy-based arguments for deletion advanced. The repeated argument that the subject could be covered in other articles, the core of the discussion here, demonstrates that this isn't really an AFD subject at all, but a routine editing issue with the potential for a merge/redirect outcome. With highly notable artists involved, of course, there really isn't a natural merge/redirect target. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 19:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you'll find that WP:IINFO is a policy. SplashScreen (talk) 20:10, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So what? It rather obviously doesn't support your argument here, since that list of dates isn't the only or even the predominant content. The article quite plainly includes the "sufficient explanatory text" IINFO calls for, which means that the policy argues against deleting this article. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Not when that text is fancruft and trivia about how "gay" (whatever that means) the show was going to be. SplashScreen (talk) 21:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep No compelling reason given to delete.  Sourcing comfortably passes GNG, despite the cancellation.    Th e S te ve   10:28, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:GNG + Multiple reliable sources that have been provided, corroborate the notability that has been clearly established - cancelled or not, it's a keeper. -- MST  ☆  R   (Chat Me!) 09:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note that WP:GNG says that "significant coverage in reliable sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, that a subject is suitable for inclusion". In this case, an announcement of a bunch of tour dates, some tabloid tittle tattle about how "gay" it is and a few rumours about its speedy cancellation are not concrete enough. This event had next to no WP:IMPACT on the careers of Lady Gaga, Kanye West or anybody else involved and the article dances on the periphery of WP:NOT. Therefore, it does not deserve its own article. SplashScreen (talk) 10:38, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep by meeting WP:GNG. The nomination is seriously flawed.  Events "that never happened" can certainly be notable, such as hoaxes.  Would one say Smile wasn't notable because it was never released?  Nominator is entitled to their logical opinion that this article isn't necessary, but that's an editorial decision, WP:GNG does not counsel that this article must not exist.--Milowent • hasspoken  13:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.