Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Family tree of Jahania


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The result was   delete. Clearly fails WP:V, WP:NOR.  Sandstein  07:50, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Family tree of Jahania

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Unverifiable, seems mostly original research. None of the sources given are reliable, and many of the people in the family tree (such as Syed Abu Al-Fateh Safiuddin Muhammad, for example) are not mentioned in any of them anyway. Searching for him via Google produced not a single non-Wikipedia result. Huon (talk) 12:18, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Delete Insufficient notability, references probably self-made.-- User WOLfan112  Talk  15:22, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 20:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Sir, The google is full of information regarding "Jahania" which is also spelled as "Jehania" or "Jahanian", where the family of Jahaniyan Jahangasht is described. I have provided the links whic refer to Syed Jalaluddin Bukhari the grand father of Jahaniyan Jahangasht and other members of the family. In this article i have compiled the entire information and constructed a family tree. This family tree is present at "www.Jahania.org" in urdu and Sindhi language, I have just translated it on WP. For the family tree You can search for "Jahania" instead of "Family tree of Jahania" on google. I think this will address your concern. therefore please remove the tag for deletion on this article.See also Syed Jalaluddin Bukhari, Jahaniyan Jahangasht and Tando Jahania Thanks.--Shahenshahkillz (talk) 09:12, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You probably mean http://jahania.org/sajro.htm - while that may indeed be an Urdu or Sindhi version of this family tree, Jahania.org does not strike me as a reliable secondary source. What makes it more authoritative than any other random website? If I uploaded a modified version of that family tree to my own website (or if I registered Jahania.pk for this purpose) and then claimed that mine is correct and the one at Jahania.org is wrong, how would our readers be able to tell whether I'm right or not? As an aside, the other articles you refer to seem to have some problems regarding reliable sources too, but I expect those can indeed be suppported by such sources (though Tando Jahania currently doesn't have any). Huon (talk) 11:09, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Sir, You are absolutely right and I appreciate your concern but the readers must know, even roughly, about the family tree of 12 major personalities; This is the only family tree that links the ancestors and descendants of a Sufi Saint Jahaniyan Jahangasht.The first point is that, the internet is full of information regarding family of "Jahania" which is also spelled as "Jahaniyan" or "Jehania" or "Jahanian", the conflict in the pronounciation is based according to the regional languages due to this family is extended all over the South Asia. Secondly Jahaniyan Jahangasht is a Syed which means the descendant of Muhammad via Hussein ibn Ali. I shuld be encouraged because I have proved the relationships by constructing a Family tree of Jahania and linked 12 major Personalities including Jahaniyan Jahangasht and Muhammad according to their generations. This was my research which I tried my best to prove it and i think that this article should not be deleted. Let the readers research and contribute on this article. Finally I would say that I will always appreciate your concerns and try to address them as you and I together will help the history because "History always wins". Thanks.--Shahenshahkillz (talk) 17:36, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Jahaniyan Jahangasht
 * Syed Jalaluddin Bukhari
 * Ali al-Hadi
 * Muhammad al-Taqi
 * Ali ar-Ridha
 * Musa al-Kadhim
 * Ja'far al-Sadiq
 * Muhammad al-Baqir
 * Ali ibn al-Husayn Zayn al-'Abidin
 * Hussein ibn Ali
 * Ali
 * Muhammad

This is the only Family tree of Naqvi Syeds in Jahanian Family. This article should not be deleted because this is the authentic family tree of Jahaniyan Jahangasht,. I have provided enough references and reliable sources and i am also trying to improve it, so please let this article be free for the wikipedians. Actually I live in a backward area Tando Jahania Hyderabad, Sindh, where internet and wikipedia is new to people, so please donot delete this article untill people discover it on the internet to debate on the issues and your concerns. Thanks for the encouragement.--119.155.25.151 (talk) 14:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.46.240 (talk)
 * Strong delete - both because it is original research and synthesis, and because the subject is not notable. We have hundreds of thousands of biographies in this encyclopedia; we cannot clutter it up with hundreds of thousands of genealogies as well. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  13:43, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Keep - Sir, for your kind information this is not an [:WP:OR|original research and synthesis]], because i have provided references which are completely neutral. It is quite notable on the web specially on its official website "jahania.org". The family is linked to 12 major personalities therefore i thought it would be a very unique and interesting article for the readers of the sub continent. I have given all the references. Therefore this article should be improved not deleted. Thanks.--Shahenshahkillz (talk) 15:28, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: The family tree is not notable just because it has its own official website. The general notability guideline requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Furthermore, I am having a bit of difficulty finding this kind of coverage of the family tree. Google Books searches for "Jahania family tree", "Jahaniyan family tree", "Jehania family tree'", "Jahanian family tree", "family tree of Jahania", "family tree of Jehania", etc. all bring up nothing. Also, the family tree is not notable because it has notable members. Chris the Paleontologist  (talk • contribs) 19:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
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