Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Famous armenian murderers released from imprisonment


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:18, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Famous armenian murderers released from imprisonment

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Ambiguous list made on nationalistic battleground mentality that is open to various interpretations. George Spurlin (talk) 08:09, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment A list of notable Armenian murderers might meet Wikipedia policy (c.f. List of serial killers by country), but I don't see how this does. I don't know about Armenia, but in many countries, most murderers are eventually released from imprisonment, so I don't see this as a particularly sensible grouping.  Might it be renamed/moved to something more general? --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment If some kind of articles are not exist in Wikipedia it does not mean that they should not be created. Wertuose (talk) 10:41, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep it - This article shows that the cases about release from imprisonment. This facts are very interesting and useful from legal perspective. Similar articles for different countries/nations can also be created.Konullu (talk) 21:08, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I am not sure of the encyclopedic value, and question how this could fit criteria. Why not a Famous armenian embezzlers released from imprisonment or Famous armenian manslaughters released from imprisonment?  Indiscriminate list that doesn't establish why being released from prison (the primary function of the list) is itself notable.   Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 22:05, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as a gross violation of WP:NPOV and WP:ATTACK. Sprutt (talk) 14:42, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep This article is very important and useful. Because few weeks ago Azerbaijani army officer was released from life imprisonment in Hungary and this fact was presented by the Armenian government and armenians from all over the world as the great injustice and barbarism. But this article shows that there are many such kind of facts related to armenians in the recent past. And by the way Wikipedia has many list articles and this one is one of them without any differences. Wertuose (talk) 09:13, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Original research, useless, and, based on Konullu's other edits, created in bad-faith and with clear signs of POV. Other problems abound: Soghomon Tehlirian was not an imprisoned murderer – he was acquitted of all charges by a court. The same goes for Misak Torlakian. Jack Kevorkian was a doctor who assisted others in suicide – the definition of a murderer is something that is not universally agreed on in the US, but I think this is just the article creator's desperate attempt to grasp any straw which ties an Armenian to the death of a person.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:37, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Certainly delete. The indication of the cases of Tehlerian and Torlakian shows that the article has a clearly propagandist character. Neither of them was convicted by the court. Both of them carried actions against those responsible for the Genocide of Armenians and 1915. The propagandist character of the piece is clear also because it chronologically followed the release and pardon of the Azerbaijani axe-murderer Ramil Safarov. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hablabar (talk • contribs) 17:50, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment It's normal that some articles have been created following some events. Nothing unusual. 85.132.122.10 (talk) 13:02, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per Sprutt and MarshallBaghramyan 517design (talk) 18:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. I especially like Jack Kevorkian in this list, who is actually a US citizen and only ethnically Armenian. If there is an ethnically motivated attack page, this is it. My very best wishes (talk) 21:25, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - have to say, this looks a lot like an ethnically-motivated attack page masquerading as "fact". I think it just seemed like a good opportunity to put the words "Armenian" and "murderers" together in a title. What rubbish. Stalwart 111  (talk) 05:43, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete As I said, the article has a propagandist character. For example, in terms of Yanikian it does not specify the reasons of his action: Yanikian was a son of the Armenian Genocide survivors himself. And he was released from the prison only 11 days before his descent due to deteriorating health conditions. The article does not reflect these basic realities. And it "it has not been created following some events" as specified. Neither Yanikian, nor Genocide-perpetrators assassination happened recently. Hablabar (talk) 22:47, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - If the article doesn't mention that fact, you can add it. This doesn't imply that article has to be deleted completely. Konullu (talk) 06:17, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Odious retaliatory, ethnic attack page. Sanction article creator per WP:AA2 for obvious battleground mentality. Athenean (talk) 17:01, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, obviously a revenge article by an Azeri editor. For context see Ramil Safarov. – Alensha   talk  02:25, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep I dont really understand why the article about single murderer of Azeri ethnicity strongly underlines his ethnicity, and why the articles about terrorist attacks by organised nationalist groups of Armenian ethnicity should hide away their ethnicity, or should be misinterpreted to avoid highlighting the precedent. At the end of the day all the terroristic attacks and assassinations mentioned in this article took place based on nationalist ideology, as per sources provided. There should be some consistency in Wiki. This article is especially interesting in light of Ramil Safarov's case. Angel670   talk  18:11, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Inherently unencyclopedic due to a serious WP:UNDUE issue where the wiki-editor primarily decides which cases are "famous". Looks like an WP:ATTACK article anyway due to use of sensational categories like "terrorists" etc. --hydrox (talk) 03:46, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.