Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Famous closed restaurants


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 06:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Famous closed restaurants

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POV biased original research, only source is a dead link. Wikipedia is not a memorial site. - 2 ... says you, says me 04:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Agreed, no brainer.Fuzbaby (talk) 04:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete All other arguments aside, such a list is useless and defining what would be on the list is impossible. Kurt (talk) 04:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep but Rename as List of closed restaurants; should be Wiki'ed from Category:Lists_of_restaurants. While one hates using WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, it's hard to see how this is so different from List of casual dining restaurant chains, List of restaurant chains, List of restaurant chains in the United States, List of fast food restaurants, or List of revolving restaurants. Furthermore, simply because something is in the past doesn't make it nonnotable, as can be readily seen by the range of Wikipedia articles which begin "List of former..." or "List of closed..." (see here). The article needs work, but the problems it has are surmountable.--AuthorityTam (talk) 04:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a huge difference, if this were a list of closed or defunct restaurant chains or notable restaurants, then I would have no problem with it. As a list telling me about the chicken shack in waco texas, that is a different story. Most restaurants go out of business during their first two years... that's literally thousands per year.  I think the only criteria on this list was that they are in Southern Texas.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 17:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. JBsupreme (talk) 06:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, no sources or references, no definition of what constitutes a "famous" restaurant. Wikipedia is not a directory or a memorial site. J I P  | Talk 07:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing defines what "famous" is. Of those on the list, the notability for the ones I looked at would be questionable/non-existant anyway so I don't support the rename. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep but Rename per AuthorityTam and WP:NETPOSITIVE.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs)
 * Comment What would criteria for inclusion on this list be? There are probably more closed restaurants then there are towns in the world. Could such a list ever be complete? Also, if there is going to be a notability requirement for the list, why rename as opposed to delete and start fresh? I doubt any of the current list would make it to a list with a notability requirement of any strength. Hipocrite (talk) 14:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment, The current article is just an opinion piece of what a famous restaraunt is. Except for one, there is no references that any of these restaraunt's existed, were "famous" or are currently closed.  The one entry that has a reference is not completely closed.  Half of the Bennigan's restaraunts closed when the company went backrupt but the other half are still operating.  In its current form, I do not think the article belongs. I could see a list of restaraunts/chains that are notable (my meaning, have an article or are eligible for an article) and are now closed/out of business.  A new name 2008 (talk) 15:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * When I first saw this, I thought, no problem... that idea is worth keeping, but looking at the actual contents? No, it probably lists the restaurants where the author lived (southern Texas.)  A famous restaurant would be one opened by a celebrity/famous chef and then closed.  If this were actually a list of notable restaurants that closed their doors, I would support, but the Tacorama around the corner just doesn't cut it. Delete, and since we are citing RfA essays, per WP:Notnow--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 15:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as classic indiscriminate list. Mangoe (talk) 17:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete indiscriminate list. Resolute 18:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article isn't even named correctly since it's actually a list of closed restaurants in Texas. 70.4.101.50 (talk) 20:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - more pointless lists... Dvmedis (talk) 00:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment First contribution from a new editor. Welcome to Wikipedia, Speed, and try not to take any of the comments personally, and don't let it discourage you from contributing to Wikipedia.  Just to explain some of things they're talking about, "indiscriminate list" means that you can't just list the names of a bunch of items without any further information; "original research" means that this isn't from a published source, but rather from the memories of the people contributing to the article (in other words, they researched this on their own); "POV", as you might have guessed, means that this is a contributor's "Point of View", usually applied when an opinion is expressed (as in "famous").   Finally, "WP:N" is a link to the rules about "notability" -- there are some subjects that are exempt from the rule that something has to have had widespread (i.e. beyond local recognition) coverage.  Anyway, we've all had articles deleted.  It takes time to learn what goes and what doesn't.  Mandsford (talk) 13:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete classic WP:LISTCRUFT; fails WP:IINFO. Tavix | Talk  16:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.