Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fannie Thomas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 03:25, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Fannie Thomas

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The subject of this article to meet the standards of WP:N due to lack of multiple, non-trivial references in reliable, third-party sources. There's no Wikipedia policy on the oldest anything being automatically notable by the encyclopedia's standards (also based on long-term consensus, including most recently the redirecting of this World's oldest person). Thus we default to the general notability guidelines and any material of encyclopedic merit can be included on the many longevity-related lists on Wikipedia. Canadian  Paul  18:11, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Keep This one can't be argued. At time of death, she was LITERALLY THE OLDEST PERSON TO HAVE EVER LIVED, and her article is...well, an actual article, rather than a stub. DN-boards1 (talk) 18:13, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * — Note to closing admin: DN-boards1 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.
 * None of which has any bearing on notability, per Wikipedia's criteria. Canadian   Paul  18:16, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It in fact does have bearing. Is Jeanne Calment notable purely for her longevity? Indeed. She's most known for being currently the oldest person ever. Before her it was Shigechiyo Izumi, before him Martha Graham, then Augusta Holtz, Mathew Beard, then Fannie Thomas, etc. DN-boards1 (talk) 18:18, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Delete As per WP:Notability (people): People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.Isambard Kingdom (talk) 19:28, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You didn't give me a chance to PROVE her notability. You shuffled the AfD along within a day of the article's creation. Thomas is one of a handful of people to have ever been the oldest person ever, she's notable. DN-boards1 (talk) 19:31, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As per WP:Notability (people): People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 19:44, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The GRG list of "oldest people titleholders" from Betsy Baker to Besse Cooper (up to 2012) lists her: . DN-boards1 (talk) 19:54, 10 October 2015 (UTC) — DN-boards1 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep or merge to List of supercentenarians from the United States. Oppose to delete because her statement was included from earlier in List of supercentenarians from the United States. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inception2010 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 11 October 2015 (UTC) — Inception2010 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 22:07, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 22:07, 10 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep The result and implications of the Koto Okubo AfD are being misrepresented and used as a tool to unfairly override long-standing consensus. The general consensus for a long time seems to be that World's oldest people and World's oldest men titleholders are notable enough for a standalone article. Koto Okubo's case was different and unusual, however: firstly, she was never the world's oldest person (only the world's oldest woman). Secondly, she received an unusually small attention from the media, hence there really wasn't much to write a biography about. For Fannie Thomas, this is a bit different. The article needs a cleanup and more sources might exist in the archives but it shouldn't be deleted. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 17:45, 13 October 2015 (UTC) — Ollie231213 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete "She was a former suffragette,[clarification needed].[1] In 1900, she opened a millinery store in Colorado Springs.[1] In 1918 she moved to Twin Falls, Idaho, then to Los Angeles in the 1920s" is not notability material. EEng (talk) 14:01, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Oldest people NewYorkActuary (talk) 23:28, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.