Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faruk Türünz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Apparent consensus--no delete's except the nom., and copyvio has been addressed  DGG ( talk ) 01:39, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Faruk Türünz

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Craftsman who makes ouds: this is not in itself notable, not could I find any indication that the subject is an exception. This article was recently deleted per Criteria_for_speedy_deletion but has been recreated in the same form by a newly registered user; A7 was this time contested. However the only supplied reference is to a BBC blog (which briefly talks about one of the subject's instruments, not the subject himself) and no other significant and independent references could be found to assert notability, still less verify any of the article content. The main claim to notability is the invention of the "Brace Tuning System" which should - if it really is notable - easily be found in reliable sources, but all that turns up appear to be the subject's own sites (such as myspace), and the biographies there are so similar to this article as to make this a possible candidate for speedy deletion as a copyvio (though I am taking this to AfD as an A7 has already been contested, and so that consensus can be properly reached on the notability issue). RichardOSmith (talk) 19:28, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Note: I am the admin who declined the most recent A7 on this article. I don't know about any copyvio, but in the meantime I've rewritten most of the article--it's a pity no one else did that in the article's first incarnation. OK, I do believe it is noteworthy if we have an article on an established oud maker. Those luthiers are rare, and given the part of the world they're from it's well-nigh a miracle if you can find English-language material on them. In this case, we have a BBC Radio 3 blog where Khyam Allami describes how he well in love with one of Turunz's instruments. We also have a brief but meaningful comment in a Turkish magazine: "Un Turc, Faruk Turunz, est maintenant considéré parmi les meilleurs, sinon le meilleur fabricant de l’oud (le luth oriental)." That I cannot produce any more sources is right now is due to two reasons: a. I do not know what the relevant magazines and journals are for this area and b. my Turkish sucks. What I ask of nominator and others is that they consider that this is a field in which it is simply difficult (for me, and I imagine for others) to find references for such a subject. What I found so far and have included in the article, however, certainly suggests notability. Drmies (talk) 20:32, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep - there is enough sourcing here to indicate notability. I expect that editors fluent in Turkish could help provode some more content and sourcing. Lady  of  Shalott  20:51, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Google Scholar gives a couple of Turkish language results that might be useful to someone who can read them here. Lady  of  Shalott  21:29, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Lady, I hope you're not suggesting I learn Turkish on my day off, tomorrow? BTW, thanks for the help on the article. Drmies (talk) 22:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, if you choose to interpret it that way, Drmies, who am I to stand in the way of your learning another language? Oh, and you're welcome. Lady  of  Shalott  23:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per Drmies and LadyofShalott. The article would benefit from the attention of a Turkish speaker to track down and verify some sources, but there seems to be sufficient indication of notability.  --Deskford (talk) 23:34, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: I can't read Turkish, but notability appears to exist. SL93 (talk) 15:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - The current sourcing available appears to indicate notability. -- Whpq (talk) 17:14, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.