Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Farzam Arbab


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Universal House of Justice and/or to Ruhi institute. Clear consensus that a standalone article is not workable. Vanamonde (Talk) 00:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Farzam Arbab

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:BASIC Serv181920 (talk) 07:17, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Serv181920 (talk) 07:17, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:59, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ─ The Aafī   (talk)|undefined  12:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment have we established a consensus yet as to whether members of the Universal House of Justice have any presumed notability? I recall AfD discussions where Anglican deans and Catholic auxiliary bishops have been kept on the basis of presumed notability, and being a member of the UHJ must be at least as notable as them. Mccapra (talk) 20:37, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The issue's been bandied about in the past, but I think the general consensus has been that their membership doesn't make them individually notable. dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 09:50, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * They are notable for the Baha'is only, apart from serving the "Supreme Infallible Institution", the UHJ, most of them have nothing to their merits. They fail WP:BASIC, WP:GNG.Serv181920 (talk) 06:57, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep In addition to being a member of the Universal House of Justice, he was an influential figure in starting the development of community building efforts around the world, he is the architect of Ruhi Institute which is an integral part of all Baha'i communities around the world. (1 & 2 under WP:AUTHOR). He was also a physicist please see this for some of his works in the field. Tarikhejtemai (talk) 00:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure if those things are enough to establish his notability.Serv181920 (talk) 17:40, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete: If you put the WORKS section aside the entire article is only three lines. If that's all one can write about a figure then I doubt it can be called notable. Also the works section isn't notable either because it lists 10 works most which are only a few pages in length published in Baha'i conferences and journals. The article also has 4 references. 3 are from a Baha'i news service and another is from bahaipedia which doesn't seem to give the article much credibility. Illuminator123 (talk) 15:49, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The question is not whether the status quo of the article is good or not, the question is whether the topic is notable or not. The entry on Einstein might have been three lines initially and grew larger over time. Tarikhejtemai (talk) 04:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually the status quo is very important here and if an article can't be expanded to more than 3 lines after 14 years and dozens of edits then it is definitely not notable. Also: WP:NRSNVNA and WP:NOR Illuminator123 (talk) 18:18, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That nobody has yet expanded the article doesn't mean that it can't be expanded. A much more likely explanation is simply that nobody has tried. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Please see recent additions, which stress Arbab's role as co-creator of the Ruhi Institute system. I have added new information with citations and a rationale in the talk.--Anthony Michel (talk) 19:40, 17 January 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet (talk) 22:44, 18 January 2021 (UTC) , Ruhi Institute is a Baha'i curriculum designed to introduce the Baha'i faith and consolidate, deepen and convert the people to the Baha'i faith. Don't know what kind of service that is for the general people and if this "achievement" has got any significant coverage in reliable sources!Serv181920 (talk) 08:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * "What kind of service that is for the general people" is irrelevant to notability. I have cited a non-Baháʼí reliable source with significant coverage of this. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * "Arbab was the principal founder of the Ruhi Institute and FUNDAEC." WP:TRIVIALMENTION says "Notability requires significant coverage by reliable sources. Trivial mentions are not enough."Serv181920 (talk) 16:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That is not sum total of the coverage in that source, and it is not the only source available. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:00, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * "The Ruhi program was named after Farzam Arbab’s father. Farzam Arbab, an Iranian Bahá’í, went to Colombia as a visiting physics professor." In all I could find only these two four-five sentences. Not sure if this is considered as "significant coverage".Serv181920 (talk) 17:06, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Coverage continues after those two sentences: "While there, he and other university colleagues developed ... FUNDAEC ... Arbab was also instrumental in initiating the Ruhi Institute". Could you not see that coverage? Or is this discussion really based on an anti-Baháʼí and pro-Muslim point of view? I have no dog in that fight, being an atheist myself, but it seems to me that this discussion is based on that rather than on notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Have edited my previous comment. Do you think this makes him notable enough to have an independent article?Serv181920 (talk) 14:19, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge brief bio into Ruhi Institute and/or FUNDAEC; the organizations mentioned are arguably better-known than he was. Failing that, I'm torn between a weak keep and weak delete; there's probably much more to say about his accomplishments but it seems like it's been difficult to find significant reliable sources. dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 09:50, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge content per Dragfyre and redirect biography to Universal House of Justice. Cuñado ☼ - Talk  18:17, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


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