Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fashion (Heidi Montag song) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Fashion (Heidi Montag song)
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Looking at previous AfDs, this article has been kept solely because it was performed by two different artists. Most people would not consider Montag notable for her music career, and as WP:NSONGS states, even if both of the artists are notable, the song must have enough verifiable material about it for it to warrant an article.

Neither of the Us Weekly sources work, the Best Week Ever source isn't a critical analysis, the Amazon ref does nothing more than to prove it was on some soundtrack (which the film/soundtrack article does a fine job of already) and the content about Gaga's live performances is already present in The Monster Ball Tour. This article is totally unnecessary and not every Lady Gaga song needs to have an article. There is the Gaga wikia for that. – Chase  ( talk ) 16:25, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Not individually notable due to lack of sources, but because it was performed by two artists, a merge/redirect is out of the question. What little verifiable information there is has already been put in other articles. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 17:00, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge I agree that this page shouldn't be kept, but there are credible sources enough to mention the topic on the Heidi Montag page with the Entertainment Weekly and E Online sources.Silent Bob (talk) 18:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, note that the outcome of the previous nomination (by me) was merge and merge tags were placed on the article but it never happened. Perhaps this discussion isn't required because a consensus to discard this page already exists. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1   (talk2me)  20:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I am not sure I understand the suggestion that there is not enough verifiable material about it for it to warrant an article. The article is well beyond stub length and reasonably well sourced.  That the "Best Week Ever" source is not a critical analysis is hardly relevant, that is not a requirement for sources.  And there are also sources from Entertainment Weekly and E!.  I hate to be in the position of keeping anything by Heidi Montag, but as of now I don't see a good reason to do anything else. Rlendog (talk) 23:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * All unsourced content, as well as the dead Us Weekly soruces, has been removed. Do you see what I mean now about there not being enough verifiable content to warrant an article? – Chase  ( talk ) 20:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it is pretty borderline. The article is certainly no "Like a Rolling Stone" (nor is the song, for that matter), but that is hardly the criteria.  The article as it stands now still has some critical analysis from reliable sources.  Also, I am not sure why the Us Weekly sources should necessarily be removed.  The links may be deprecated, but that does not mean that the information from the magazine is not reliably sourced (e.g., to hardcopies); the link could just be removed from the citation (of course, the opinion of the producer and the husband are hardly the most important encyclopedic content.) Rlendog (talk) 02:18, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:06, 5 September 2010 (UTC) Category:Relisted AfD debates
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete, the song is not notable even though it is recorded by two artists. Heidi Montag isn't noted for her music career and her version isn't released on any format. Lady Gaga's cover is only released on a soundtrack. It did not chart. -- Platinum  Fire  15:38, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * the article on songs should be kept. I haven't read all wikipedia's "how to" but please consider there is individual articles on many known single, that are not found in the discography section of the singer. This is a policy by wikipedia to push the limits of the article to on many clicks away. On a random_(singer) article, there is a redirect for the discography, and there is more to click&scroll to read the track listing. Once in (singer), you click discography, follow album1, then scroll to track listing, and you may find that not every big singer has a track listing for their albums and this is not a good thing. Someone put this info on Lady GAGA on wikipedia.org, and you should be aware he/her did a good thing in his point of view to let me know about this song, even thank him if he did it with an unproven notority subject. If I put somethin on wikipedia.org and people deletes my articles without assigning it to a new category, then the one who has a bad notority is him, because I won't read all wikipedia's info if I want to share.

I haven't seen any worse act of charity than to destroy a good will. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.53.40 (talk) 11:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi there and welcome to Wikipedia. You may wish to read our guidelines and policies before further contributing to AfD discussions. Generally, we do not keep articles just because an editor's hard work would be wasted. It is unfortunate that this happens, but we are an encyclopedia, and some subjects are simply not notable enough for inclusion. – Chase  ( talk ) 21:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.