Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fatahland


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The result was   redirect to Fatah. Fritzpoll (talk) 09:32, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Fatahland

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Neologism, WP:COATRACK, no sources given.  pedrito  -  talk  - 25.03.2009 08:10 08:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fatahland? Wadn't dat a alt-nut histy book by Robut Hes, about what if da Nazis won WulWoahToo? Mandsford (talk) 12:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Region synonymous with PLO and south Lebanon. --Shuki (talk) 21:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  —Shuki (talk) 22:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions.  —Shuki (talk) 22:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep but possibly merge into Hamastan. Notable term which gained popularity in the 80s (South Lebanon) and was used in Waltz With Bashir, and is still used today to refer to current Fatah-controlled territories sometimes. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable subject, although a rename can be considered. Could use more sources, but that is not yet a reason to delete. -- Nudve (talk) 05:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Why on earth is this being described as a neologism when there are references from Time (from the 1970s!) and the Guardian? пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  09:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Both articles (which were added after I started this AfD) use the term only in passing, without describing or defining them. The Times piece has no author and both pieces are mainly prosaic. If this is a widely-used or notable term, then there should be more explicit sources.
 * The fact that 90% of the article is an anti-Fatah coatrack doesn't help the case. Remove that and you're left with a stub that won't satisfy WP:NOTABILITY.
 * Cheers,  pedrito  -  talk  - 26.03.2009 09:30


 * Delete The article at it's current status is an attack on Fatah and maybe the PLO, it doesn't discuss the term Fatahland very thoroughly, I do agree, it is a coatrack. Yamanam (talk) 09:56, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * REdirect to Fatah. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect/merge: the term would appear to have been used back in the 1970s and to have been revived recently, albeit mostly in occasional comment pieces. Not sure it has enough significance or WP:NOTABILITY to warrant a page all to itself. And, at the very least, the "History" section as currently written has to go in its entirety - we really don't need another article discussing substantive issues under a pejorative heading, which are already (or should be) properly covered in other articles about Fatah or Lebanon, under more neutral and mainstream/standard names. See also Pallywood, Eurabia etc. If we have a page about a term or phrase like this, it should simply discuss that term or phrase and its use. --Nickhh (talk) 17:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Fatah. Fails WP:NOTABILITY. Any discussion of "Fatahland", pending the discovery of reliable secondary sources discussing the term, can occur there.  T i a m u t talk 00:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Fatah. Definitely. I've seen the term in Said Aburish's Arafat: From Defender to Dictator, but I don't think it's notable enough to render it's own article. However, this context here could improve the Fatah article very much—as long as the sources are provided. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep because there are 102 references of the word "Fatahland" in googlescholar and 631 references in google books. Among these references, I see the historian Benny Morris, A History of the Arab-Zionist conflict revisited. Ceedjee (talk) 14:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


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