Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fatal System Error (2nd nomination)


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The result was speedy keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Withdrawn by nominator with no arguments in favor of deletion (CSK1). (non-admin closure) Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 15:45, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Fatal System Error
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Does not appear to meet GNG or WP:NBOOK. Most sources in the article are by the author of the book. Only the New Yorker review seems significant and independent. The CSO Online article is about (some of) the same events Fatal System Error covers, but doesn't mention Fatal System Error at all and was written five years before the book was published (it also is invalid as a citation for what it's claiming since the article mentions Lyon and Maksakov only; note for anyone reviewing this source that the original is offline and the archive is across 20 independent short pages). The best other source I was able to find was a 2013 TechCrunch article about Lyon which only mentions the book in passing.

All in all I don't see enough independent coverage of the book here to build an encyclopedia article out of. It may be appropriate to redirect this to Barrett Lyon, the subject of the book, as an alternative to deletion (if this is done the incoming redirect from Joseph Menn, the author of the book, should be deleted, not retargeted). Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 21:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  02:22, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions.  Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 21:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * - Note to closer for soft deletion: While this discussion appears to have no quorum, it is NOT eligible for soft deletion because it was previously discussed at AfD and the result was delete.
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 * Keep. This should meet WP:NBOOK. In addition to the above, 173 word review in The Guardian, and via ProQuest I see a couple trade journal reviews:
 * Ellen Messmer in Network World . 1500+ words, published less than a week prior to book publication (i.e they had a preview copy). Should remain reliable and independent.
 * Curtis Verschoor in Internal Auditing, a shorter ~400 word review released a few months after the book. Almost certainly independent, should be reliable.
 * &mdash;siro&chi;o 05:13, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Withdraw based on the sources Siroxo found above, which are enough to bring this up to significant coverage. I'm not actually sure how I missed those in my initial search here, and a bit embarrassed that I didn't find them. Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 15:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


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