Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fathead (brand)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Verbal jousting aside, delete !voters have pointed out problems with the article, but have not provided rationales for deletion that account for the sources found. causa sui (talk) 19:11, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Fathead (brand)

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This page has been tagged as an advertisement for nearly a year with no meaningful improvements. The few "references" on the page aren't notable references but mainly more advertising (links to questionable "Awards and Recognitions").  B.Rossow ·  talk  20:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 00:50, 6 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as SPAM. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

We have started to make more edits in order to save the page. Do you have other suggestions to help us clean this page up? 19:16, 11 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.165.188.130 (talk) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cerejota (talk) 07:04, 12 August 2011 (UTC)




 * Keep - A surprising nomination, being a rather ubiquitous entity among sports fans, a company owned by the owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers of the National Basketball Association. I'll do a little delving here tonight. Let's start with this INDEPENDENT AND SUBSTANTIAL COVERAGE FROM MSNBC entitled "Fathead Grows Business by Thinking Big." Carrite (talk) 02:08, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Fathead was in the news when Lebron James took his talents to South Beach and the jilted Dan Gilbert put LBJ gear on sale in a huff. THIS IS A BLOG POST but if anyone is looking to fix this article up, there are a ton of similar things that can be mined. The story would make a couple good paragraphs of content. Carrite (talk) 02:12, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * In the same vein as the above, Kelly Dwyer of YAHOO SPORTS. This is a reliable "new media" source, in my view, although called a "blog" as part of its marketing schtick. Dwyer is a pro and Yahoo is a gargantuan media corporation. Carrite (talk) 02:14, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This report from NESN cites the New York Daily News as the original source of the Dan Gilbert Slashes LBJ Prices story, for the record... Carrite (talk) 02:23, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Fathead is the named sponsor of a new outstanding Freshman player of the week in the BCS of college football this season, according to THIS REPORT BY THE SPORTS NETWORK. Not exactly independent coverage, but it does go to the idea that this is not some tiny fly-by-night enterprise, but a very large fixture in the world of American sports. Carrite (talk) 02:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's NEW YORK SPOTS JOURNALISM-DOT-COM with a piece from 2009 on the Fathead phenomenon. Carrite (talk) 02:20, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Why should the nomination be surprising? Certainly not ubiquitous here, I don't believe I've ever heard/seen them before; and none of these refs are on the page. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:22, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * See: WP:BEFORE... Before you run something up to AfD, you should snort around pretty hard on the internets to see if the sources exist. Whether they're in the article or not is neither here nor there, that can be fixed through normal editing. The question, as you know, is whether the sources exist to allow this subject to qualify as an encyclopedia-worthy topic according to inclusion guidelines... Carrite (talk) 02:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep  I agree with Carrite that Fathead is a significant presence in the world of sports merchandise (the 2007 MSNBC article leads off, "It hasn't taken long for Fathead to squeeze itself into the pop culture pantheon.") and Carrite has identified sources to back this up.--Arxiloxos (talk) 04:22, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - As its first sentence indicates, this article is an advertisement for Fathead brand vinyl graphics by Fathead LLC. One might like the company, its products, and its website; mention its website in lists of company websites; and post laudatory reports about the company and its products: but this article is still an advertisement.  By contrast, see the article on the Bobblehead doll.  That article describes a popular collectible toy that is often used to represent sports figures, yet the article maintains NPOV and advertises nothing. Ornithikos (talk) 05:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * You make valid editing suggestions, hopefully when this closes a Keep someone will be inspired to work this piece over a bit. Carrite (talk) 02:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I make no editing suggestions, avoid trivializing the comments of others, do not assume that my views, being correct, will naturally prevail, and have no interest in psychological jousting, in which extraneous skill your reputation precedes you. I simply describe this article as I perceive it: "Self-promotion and indiscriminate publicity" from the first word to the last. Ornithikos (talk) 04:43, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.