Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fatih Rıfat Ülküman


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 02:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Fatih Rıfat Ülküman

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Possible hoax, as someone from the public asserted. Not really sure, but it is plausible, so bringing this to AFD. NW ( Talk ) 02:54, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete for failure to be verified. The only source apparently covers his death; nothing backs up anything else about his life. Google searches are cumbersome with the language issue, but I didn't turn up anything. Additionally, there is no article about Ülküman on the Turkish Wikipedia. —C.Fred (talk) 03:17, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

It is not hoax. You can check from Encyclopedia of Turkish Authors vol. III as cited in the article. He is rather unknown to common people who are not deeply involved in Turkish politics. Alexanderanenko (talk) 07:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC) — Alexanderanenko (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The reference is also bogus. There is no encyclopedia with the title "Türk Yazarlar Ansiklopedisi" as cited in the article. There is one "Türkiye Yazarlar Ansiklopedisi" though, yet it does not contain a Fatih Rıfat Ülküman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.178.92 (talk) 10:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:V. Ironholds (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as it stands. Nothing found in a Gsearch. Not even a Turkish language article. I find it amazing how many articles appear on the English language Wikipedia that don't seem to exist on the native language WP for the subject in question. Or do I? Anyway. If he is so unknown that there is only the one mention of him in an apparently untraceable encyclopaedia (although Türk and Türkiye are fairly close), then he hardly merits an article here. "He is rather unknown to common people who are not deeply involved in Turkish politics" - so English speakers other than those with involvement in Turkish politics are unlikely to want to look him up, and presumably those who know about him won't need to.... Peridon (talk) 17:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It's upsetting for me to see that someone can falsify and deny the existence of true Turkish novelist F. Rifat Ulkuman just because their political views.As i mentioned in C.Fred's page today it's almost impossible for a reader find an original copy of his novels ,but a copy of Cankaya Tables can be found at the 3. floor of the library of Istanbul University( I would love to give an ISBN number but as you all know it wasn't exist at 70's). Labeling the life and publications of such a person as 'Hoax' just because of not supporting or completely opposing with his ideas, is a dumb mistake.I believe that one day F. Rifat Ulkuman will get the courtesy that he deserves while he was living from every part of the society even though they don't support his ideas.

Ps. His haters mention that there is no article stands in Wikipedia Turkish which is right, but just because the number of the results in English is more then it comes up in Turkish doesn't mean that he is not real. A good example for this situation is Orhan Pamuk with this kind of weird determination methods we can claim that Orhan Pamuk doesn't exist. Other than that there is no problem with the name of "Türk Yazarlar Ansiklopedisi" as his clear intention of misleading the administrators here stands i must make something clear.Türkiye is the name of the country like US and we don't call it America Idol, or America Plant Encylopedia ,same in Turkish we call it Türk Yazarlar Ansiklopedisi(Turk Respresent any human being who lives in Turkey or has a Turkish Origin).As my last sentences please guy don't waste your time to remove the sign's that has given to the path of history by such a great person even you removed it from everywhere else we will always remember him.

alparslan2 (talk) 17:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC) — alparslan2 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment I am not a hater of him. I'd never even heard of him before today, as I suspect is the case for everyone else here except the creator. I, for one, couldn't care a tinker's cuss about Ülküman's political views. I can only go by the internet for establishing notability in this caser, and there are no ghits I can find for him - in any language. I never restrict my search to one language only. To me, this suggests that no-one either inside or outside Turkey has thought it worthwhile to mention him online - until now. I am not saying 'hoax' as I can't prove that. I am saying 'no evidence' - as I can't find any, and you don't seem to be providing any. Without some evidence, no article. Orhan Pamuk? Well known, wide-selling, easy to verify. Interviewed by the Daily Telegraph, referred to in the Guardian - and that's just in the first six ghits. Peridon (talk) 20:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've just checked on Vikipedi and no-one has tried to create an article there. Peridon (talk) 20:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Hoax. He is a fictional character created by an ekşi sözlük and twitter user to criticize Turkish ideology of Kemalism. Kavas (talk) 00:35, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "ekşisözlük"?? Peridon (talk) 20:26, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


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 * You define anything you want in this dictionary, but the correctness of the information is unclear. One user created a fictional writer, wrote a definition of him to this dictionary and this has come to WP. Kavas (talk) 20:38, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * See Ekşi Sözlük (for which, thanks to Kavas.) Peridon (talk) 20:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

The article should be removed due to the fact that "Fatih Rıfat Ülküman" is a bogus historian created by an "ekşi sözlük" (http://sourtimes.org) web site user, in order to lay down an hoax that provides a false claim that Mustafa Kemal Atatürk had ordered the execution of his former brothers-in-arms (http://www.eksisozluk.com/show.asp?t=fatih+r%C4%B1fat+%C3%BClk%C3%BCman and http://www.eksisozluk.com/show.asp?t=ismet+ben+%C3%B6l%C3%BCrsem+adnan%27%C4%B1+ve+celal%27i+ast%C4%B1r). The existence of such an author named "Fatih Rıfat Ülküman" could be checked from the National Library of Turkey (http://www.mkutup.gov.tr/index.php?yenidil=ing) and also from Bilkent University Library online catalogues (http://librarycatalog.bilkent.edu.tr/uhtbin/cgisirsi.exe/x/0/0/49) which are the two of the richest sources on Turkish books). It should be noted that the article is lacking any citeable sources.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.224.109.143 (talk) 18:37, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


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