Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fatshark


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus to delete. While it's not immediately clear whether the sources are reliable, and the keep arguments aren't the strongest I've ever seen, it's clear that after three and a bit weeks there no consensus to delete this article at this time. Thryduulf (talk) 18:58, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Fatshark

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Declined PROD. Concern = Fails to meet criteria at WP:GNG and WP:ORG. Sources are either WP:PRIMARY, company profile listings, forums, and/or are self-populated and not reliable per WP:RS. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:25, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 08:31, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 00:04, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Fatshark's development of a recent game, Krater, seems to have gotten quite a lot of coverage last week. Very timely!:
 * Fatshark announces post-apocalyptic action-RPG 'Krater'
 * Fatshark announces post-apocalyptic RPG Krater, valiantly attempts to explain it
 * Fatshark is making a Krater
 * I also found two interviews with developers in company regarding two different games that were somewhat successful:
 * All in all, I'd say this is enough coverage. I'll add it to the article now.  Added. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 06:12, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: These sources are not reliable per WP:RS. They are blogs with  content  derived from a  Fatshark announcement. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:02, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Why are they not reliable? And what is wrong with coverage that discusses the content of announcements?  They are made by independent sources, so I do not why they should be discounted. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 18:01, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Wifione  Message 13:31, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

 Keep sources seem legitimate enough to me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tulsa667 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep- has obviously recieved some coverage for its games.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:10, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: User Tulsa667 first edited on 24 November 2011. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Please see: Please do not bite the newcomers. Tinton5 (talk) 21:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The user very likely only signed up to comment on this discussion; adding that note was justified. — Jean Calleo (talk) 22:07, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And considering the extreme lack  of interest  in  this AfD, an WP:SPI to  include also  User:81.224.129.54 may  be appropriate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:51, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: A review of the sources:
 * pcgamer Dead link: page not available.
 * asia.gamespot No mention  of FatShark
 * GiantBomb Freely editable content
 * games.ign a 3-line company listing
 * moddb Product page of the online sales catalogue of Moddb
 * thgr Interview on Tom's Oyun, a Turkish sub page domain of  Tom's Hardware, an  site of a blog, forums, and short product reviews.
 * worthplaying.com General software site. Interview with  all  company  info  provided by FatShark  staff.
 * Shack News a short product review by Alice O'Connor based on a product  release announcement  by FatShark
 * IncGamers Software review/blog a short product review by  Peter Parrish based on a product  release announcement  by FatShark.
 * Notability for inclusion  is not  based on  a number of sources. It  is asserted by  the quality,  coverage, content, and reliability  of the sources. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:10, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. Notability established based on sources in the article. Tinton5 (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you please consider describing how each of the above sources meet Wikipedia's WP:RS, and can be applied to WP:ORG in  order to  assert WP:N? Please also  explain how you  interpret the WP:BITE guidelines.  Thanks.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:42, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In addition to the user-edited wiki, Giant Bomb also has a news article from a staff member. Reach Out to the Truth 04:05, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.