Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faye McMillan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Canley (talk) 03:24, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Faye McMillan

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Not notable. WP:PROF is not yet met--as the article didn't list any of her published work, I added her most cited paper (19 times in Google Scholar). The next highest is 4 times). Notability otherwise would have to be based upon a number of announcements of non-notable awards, and I don't think that meets GNG.  DGG ( talk ) 05:03, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Not remotely a pass of WP:Prof on basis of citations in GS. I don't see enough yet for WP:GNG. Xxanthippe (talk) 07:30, 18 July 2019 (UTC).
 * Keep Meets WP:GNG. I have added sources, which now range from 2003 - 2019, and include the Australian Journal of Pharmacy, Deadly Vibe, The Koori Mail, Dubbo Photo News, Triple M, Western Magazine, and Narromine News. At least four of them are SIGCOV. RebeccaGreen (talk) 18:54, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. She doesn't appear to pass WP:PROF, but the sources now in the article cover her in-depth, appear to be at a national level rather than purely local, and are from a wide enough range of years to show that it's not just for the new AWY award. So I think she passes WP:GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:11, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep All other things being equal, I'd be inclined to say "delete". But we cannot tolerate the out-of-control and institutionally sexist arrangements that hold professional athletes (mostly male) to manifestly lower inclusion standards than academics (a more gender-balanced profession). There's at least an argument here that the subject of the article meets the GNG. It's not a great argument. I have qualms about the reliability of trade magazines such as the Australian Pharmacy Journal and local news papers doing puff pieces. But the article is in good shape thanks to the good work of experienced editors, and the subject of the article is clearly a highly accomplished individual who can make multiple claims of notability, and the article is sufficiently verified, so I am happy to have the article. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:48, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you actually saying that because the consensus is to have a low standard of notability in one field, we should have it in other fields also?
 * (as for equity, there has been quite a flood of barely notable female athletes also. )  DGG ( talk ) 01:31, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not saying that. Ideally we would lift the standard of notability for athletes. It's absurd that merely being a professional athlete is usually sufficient for notability. But being a professional academic, or a professional artist, or a professional nurse, quite correctly, isn't. In the meantime, the next best thing to do is to say that if the case for an academic is marginal, male or female, I'll incline towards keep. Here WP:PROF isn't met, but WP:GNG is at least arguable, and the article is ok, so I'm comfortable with keeping it. --Mkativerata (talk) 05:56, 20 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm persuaded that she passes WP:GNG, per David Eppstein and RebeccaGreen. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 14:40, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I have added more sources, now from The Sydney Morning Herald (2003), Illawarra Mercury (2010), and Daily Advertiser (2014) - all articles about her. RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:44, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep RebeccaGreen does great work. This subject meets our GNG. Lightburst (talk) 03:20, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, seems obvious under GNG. AFD might have been avoided and probably should have been... --Fæ (talk) 09:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per sourced found by Rebecca Green.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:04, 23 July 2019 (UTC)


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