Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faysal Shayesteh (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. Keeper |  76  00:27, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Faysal Shayesteh
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Contested prod on the grounds that he has played international football. Cannot find any indication he has. A technical pass of WP:NFOOTY as he has played one professional match but a clear WP:GNG failure. May well become notable in future but not now. Fenix down (talk) 08:43, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets WP:NFOOTY. Has played in a fully professional league.Simione001 (talk) 08:52, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment NFOOTY is not relevant. It is always trumped by GNG. This player has played one senior game. Had he had several seasons playing in non-professional leagues and then made the step up to a professional league, it would be reasonable to assume that there would be sufficient sources to pass GNG and NFOOTY. In this instance, this is a player who has played one pro game following an unsourced youth career. Please indicate where substantial reliable sources for the player exist? If he can be shown to have played internationally then that would be something I would be prepared to accept as making him essentially notable. Fenix down (talk) 13:02, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
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http://www.sportal.bg/statistics_player.php?season=88&champ=1&team=46&player=11921 - He played one match last week for bulgarian A group team. http://www.bra.weltfussball.com/spieler_profil/faysal-shayesteh/ - Here and one on english K.belev (talk) 16:24, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:NFOOTY. Has played in a fully professional league.I was add source but here again :
 * Comment As I said above, I have no problem with the notion that he passes NFOOTY. The problem is that NFOOTY means nothing if he cant meet GNG. One game played does not equal general notability. You need to show that there are substantial reliable sources documenting this player. Fenix down (talk) 16:28, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - http://etar1924.com/?p=2465 - Official website of Etar.He made him 2nd proffesional app,there was 4 website's where it's confirm that he is a player and have played in team.I'm trying to make him profile and in transfermarkt,but there thay clearly don't care about eter..I just don't get why a proffesional player page will be deleted...
 * Comment - Because being a professional player is not enough, he has to fulfill GNG as has been mentioned several times now. 1 appearance or 2 is not relevant, the fact that he is a player is not relevant, you need to find indepth, substantial, reliable sources. So far there are none in the article and no indication any exist. Fenix down (talk) 17:48, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - Players who have appeared, and managers who have managed, in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable.Simione001 (talk) 22:54, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly, they are generally regarded as notable, not exclusively. NFOOTY does not trump GNG. This guy has played in two games, one for 2 minutes, the other for 23 minutes. This does not make him inherently notable as NFOOTY clearly observes with the qualifier "generally". Please indicate where there are substantial, reliable sources as per GNG. Fenix down (talk) 08:24, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - meets NFOOTBALL - as he is early in his career it is not surprising he doesn't quite meet GNG yet, but we should allow the benefit of the doubt. If he still doesn't meet GNG in a few years then we can re-consider. GiantSnowman 18:51, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

NFOOTBALL is not relevant when a player does not meet GNG. Project guidelines do not trump main wikipedia notability rules. Also subjects do not have articles created for them and then "left for a few years" to see if they become notable. As an admin you really ought to be aware of this by now. The very fact you had to use this as an argument adds further weight to the notion this player is not yet notable. Fenix down (talk) 07:07, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Seems to be WP:TOOSOON. To respond to GiantSnowman, I think the opposite scenario is best - to delete for now then re-consider inclusion in a few years. We need reliable sources to make a decent article out of it.  AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 07:37, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - I generally agree with Fenix down in this case, 1 or 2 appearances does not confer notability. Instead of creating articles on footballer once they first enter the field in a professional match, we should try to make the article establish notability - i.e. explain why this particular footballer is notable. I recently PROD'ed his team-mate Mehmet Mehmet, which got recreated once he got his first appearance, with the article having no real claim of notability except that one appearnace. My main concern in this case, is that if we decide to delete this article, when would it be appropiate to re-make it? When he has played 5 matches, 10 matches? I say we should give the creator some time to improve the article, and if the subject still fails WP:GNG in a couple of months, we could nominate it for deletion again. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:23, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - You cant just make up your own rules. NFOOTBALL is pretty clear. I recently nominated Andy Higgins (footballer born 1993) for deletion and result was no consensus. Not sure how that happened.Simione001 (talk) 11:53, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Is it me you are talking to? I am not making up my own rules, but WP:NSPORTS which WP:NFOOTY is a part of is pretty clear: Please note that the failure to meet these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted; conversely, the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept. Mentoz86 (talk) 12:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
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