Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/February 2021 Joe Biden speech to joint session of Congress

2021 Joe Biden speech to joint session of Congress

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify It is not absolutely certain that this event will take place in any particular form (ie, as an official SOTU, etc.), and therefore this violates WP:CRYSTAL per consensus. Personally, I would wait until at least a hard date is announced before moving this back to mainspace, but in the meantime it should not remain as a published article. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 19:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


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The Speaker has not sent an invitation to the President to address the Congress. The sole citation is to an AP calendar which anticipates that a speech is upcoming, but it is not confirmed. The Constitution does not mandate that a speech to a joint session occur in February, I can find no other sources to confirm this speech will occur. The page originator is unwilling to note that the date is undetermined and given that it may not happen at all the existence of the article in general seems presumptive. Shep Talk  07:53, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep According to the Washington Post (among others news outlets), there will in fact be a Biden address to congress on February 23. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:31, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you provide the URLs to this Washington Post source and other sources so they can be added to the article? 66.234.210.119 (talk) 06:06, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This fails crystal ball regulations. There may be a speech, that may be notable, but until we have reliable sources covering the actual speech enough to show notability we should not have an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL and lack of reliable sources other than the AP calendar entry, which states that the date is unconfirmed. —  csc -1 21:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Move to draft, until it happens. BD2412  T 21:45, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep or Draft as it is less than two weeks away. 66.234.210.119 (talk) 06:06, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify, date is unknown (as can be seen in the last question at today's press briefing) and due to covid may end up in a different form Empire3131 (talk) 17:38, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Nancy Pelosi said on Thursday that the speech won't be until after the COVID reconciliation bill is passed, which could push it in to March https://www.rollcall.com/2021/02/11/quite-a-week-pelosi-says-previewing-more-to-come/ Empire3131 (talk) 04:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I guarantee you in two weeks this article will be fleshed out and this deletion nomination will be forgotten. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:39, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It's been two weeks... Richard75 (talk) 00:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep I added a source, but also just a little WP:IAR here. This is going to happen, even if the exact details aren't known yet. « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 21:47, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep: This is a highly-anticipated speech with at least the level of hype/coverage that a regular SOTU gets. A ton of articles discussing Biden's plans broadly mention an expectation that Biden's agenda will be fleshed out during this speech. For SOTUs, we always set up the page as anticipation for the event grows. If this was the 2022 SOTU which no sources are discussing yet, I would absolutely support deletion. But this article is already receiving wide coverage. WP:CRYSTAL is about events whose importance can not yet be definitively ascertained and which have not yet been widely covered, or which are not certain to happen; this event will almost certainly happen, be extremely important, and has already received significant mention. PrairieKid (talk) 23:52, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Per above, this is routine speech that is de-facto the first State of the Union Address, it is not WP:CRYSTAL because it will happen. It is no different than 2024 United States presidential election which we know is going to happen in 2024. Based off of the fact that the past 3 first Joint Sessions of Congress for new Presidents have taken place during the last week of February, this date checks out. Given that is almost March now, I would support a Move to 2021 Joe Biden speech to joint session of Congress. JayJayWhat did I do? 02:59, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: Also, people's cable box schedules are now showing an entry for the address on PBS, and surely other networks will follow suit. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you provide the URLs to the Washington Post source and other sources so they can be added to the article? 66.234.210.119 (talk) 02:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * From Today's press briefing: "MS. PSAKI: We don’t know where the February 23rd date came from.  It’s a great mystery.  I’ve not Nancy Drew-ed that one out yet, but it was never planned to be in February and we don’t have a date for a joint session at this point." https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/02/16/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-february-16-2021/Empire3131 (talk) 01:28, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify until more details are announced. Natg 19 (talk) 05:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   11:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Draft Can be moved back to the "live" wikipedia when it happens. Oaktree b (talk) 16:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: It looks the like speech might actually take place in March (1; 2; 3). Ironically, however, all the commentary about the speech possibly not happening until then kind of proves the notability of the speech. In any event, if it takes place in March rather than February, the article can just be renamed. --Usernameunique (talk) 00:22, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Actually, is there any need to have the month in the title at this point? If there's a second joint session this year (Like September 2009 Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress) we can move it back to February 2021/March 2021/April 2021 as the case may be, but for now is there a problem with 2021 Joe Biden speech to joint session of Congress? (Maybe February 2017 Donald Trump speech to joint session of Congress should be moved to 2017 Donald Trump speech to joint session of Congress as well, but that's a separate discussion. Empire3131 (talk) 01:15, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * , that's a good point—2021 Joe Biden speech to joint session of Congress should work for now. That would also make the sources identified in my comment above more appropriate here. --Usernameunique (talk) 02:34, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * As the creator of the page, I don't have a problem renaming the page (a page move), but I'd rather wait until the date is set. Taking the month "February" out of the title for now isn't going to help much when I will eventually need to add the word "March" before long anyway. Why end up changing the name twice when it only has to be changed once? So, as opposed to changing it now and changing it again in a few weeks, I'd rather change it only in a few weeks when March gets here. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 09:45, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * , the idea is to remove any month from the article title, and only add it back in if there is a second speech to a joint session of Congress this year. For instance, if Biden ends up having another such speech in September, then at that point, "March" would be added to the title here. How does that sound? --Usernameunique (talk) 17:23, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Per this discussion, I have opened a move request—please see Talk:February 2021 Joe Biden speech to joint session of Congress. 66.234.210.119 (talk) 08:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you provide the URLs to the Washington Post source and other sources so they can be added to the article? 66.234.210.119 (talk) 09:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Draftify or Delete It's an article dedicated to the anticipation of a speech that might happen on some unknown date in the future? Not very encyclopedic in nature.  Publish when there's a speech to publish.    Tennis Anyone? Talk  20:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Move to 2021 Joe Biden speech to joint session of Congress—see discussion at Talk:February 2021 Joe Biden speech to joint session of Congress. 66.234.210.119 (talk) 08:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The footnote #1 is supposed to support a discussion by the White House press on the State of the Union,2021, BUT nowhere at the press text do the words UNION or STATE OF occurs. FALSE CITATION.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.171.206.205 (talk) 16:56, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * There's no mention of the 2021 "State of the Union" because this isn't a state of the union (otherwise it would be at 2021 State of the Union Address. Instead, it's a speech to a joint session of congress. Search the transcript for "joint" and you'll find the discussion. Empire3131 (talk) 20:49, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep but Move to 2021 Joe Biden speech to joint session of Congress, per above. Paintspot Infez (talk) 15:35, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep because the Press Secretary's wording implies a speech is planned, but move to 2021 Joe Biden speech to joint session of Congress as the Press Secretary stated it was never planned for February in the first place. Further proposal: " unofficial State of the Union Address" for this and all other unofficial SOTUs. --eduardog3000 (talk) 22:21, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Boldly moved to 2021 Joe Biden speech to joint session of Congress because the February part is both denied and extremely unlikely. This should not effect deletion discussion. --eduardog3000 (talk) 01:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I still propose a further move to 2021 unofficial State of the Union Address. --eduardog3000 (talk) 01:09, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep per JayJay, but move to 2021 Joe Biden speech to joint session of Congress per Empire3131. Clearly notable, clearly not a RS or WP:CRYSTAL violation. Also, Imma need a source on "Donald John Trump is still President". - 188.182.13.127 (talk) 23:23, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: something that hasn't happened yet, and hasn't even been scheduled, doesn't deserve an article. It's just something someone said in a press conference; it's just a glint in Biden's eye. It totally violates the "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball" policy, and there's no way of knowing how important or notable it might (or might not) be. Richard75 (talk) 00:16, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify: Move to mainspace once confirmed, and more details are announced. ThatIPEditor Talk · Contribs 00:49, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete/Draftify - Violates WP:CRYSTAL. CaliIndie (talk) 16:59, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


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